Talk:Eiffel Tower

Replica

the Tokyo Tower is more or less a replica; mention in article ?

Edit request from 82.19.122.251, 22 July 2011

http://www.eiffel-tower.com/exploring-the-eiffel-tower/the-restaurants Restaurant on 1st level is called 'le 58 tour eiffel' not 'Altitude 95'

82.19.122.251 (talk) 15:26, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Done Jnorton7558 (talk) 01:25, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

SPAZZ YW PJILL. MK2 IS EIFFLE TOWER — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.194.57.251 (talk) 14:13, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Seats in the original elevators

The article states that:

"Contemporary engravings of the elevators cars show that the passengers were seated at this time but it is not clear whether this was conceptual. It would be unnecessary to seat passengers for a journey of a couple of minutes. "

Eiffel's own blueprints, published in book form in 1900, show seats in the ground to second level elevator cars. This website:

http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi320.htm

features an illustration which shows the pivoting plate mechanism originally employed to keep the seats level as the inclination of the cars changed during their travel.

I have never encountered an illustration of these elevators that did not show seats.

In my opinion it's clear that there WERE seats, and I'm removing the sentence that speculates that this may have been "conceptual".Ormewood (talk) 20:23, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

I am reverting your edit, because your illustration does not prove that the seats were ever installed. AFAIAA there are no photographs showing the seats in the lifts. Photographs exist of almost every other feature that made it into the final tower. Indeed the illustration even shows the operator in a different position to that which he actually occupied suggesting that that illustration is conceptual. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 15:47, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

From "Elevator Systems of the Eiffel Tower, 1899", Robert M. Vogel, FQ Books:

"The double car, traveling at 400 feet per minute, carried 40 persons, all seated because of the change of inclination."

This was a description of the Otis elevators. Vogel states that with the Roux lifts "about 100 people could be carried in the double-deck cabin, some standing".

Again, Eiffel's blueprints (not illustrations, blueprints) show seats. The blueprints were published in 1900 in book form. They included the structural and cosmetic alterations made to the tower for the 1900 exhibition. It seems unlikely that details such as changes in the specifications of the pumps and motors would be included, but that "conceptual" blueprints of the elevators from eleven years earlier would be left as they were.

I won't reinstate my revision because I don't indulge in edit wars, but I think you are mistaken. No, I haven't yet found a photograph of the interior of the elevators, but EVERY contemporary illustration from multiple sources that I've encountered shows seats.

Can you find a single illustration that shows an elevator without seats?Ormewood (talk) 21:26, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

I am sorry to disapoint you but I don't have to. WP:BURDEN states that if you wish to claim that the lifts had seats, then it is you who needs to provide the required citation. This can be a photograph or documented report of the presence of seats. A drawing or sketch is not a good citation, because these do not prove that seats were actually installed. You are right in that there are several sketches and drawings showing seats, but there is little concurrence on the design and layout hence these do seem conceptual as claimed.

As the article states: it does seem rather pointless to install seats for a journey that is less than 2 minutes long. To seat passengers because of the change in inclination also seems unlikely, because the lift mechanism was designed to correct for the change in angle of the slanting track, the current lifts use essentially the same mechanism. Although the current lifts do take on an angle that varies from the horizontal, it is not more than a few degrees and causes little problem to today's passengers.

As far as Eiffel's published blueprints are concerned, it should be remembered that although Eiffel designed and built the tower itself, he did not design or build the lifts. Since the lift design was totally novel at the time, it is rather unlikely that the designers and installers would release detailed drawings of their products. Even in the 1890's and 1900's, companies were very protective of their internal secrets and would be reluctant to share too much detail even with a company not perceived as a direct competitor. It is worth noting that the two different designs of the original installations (or three if you include the Edoux lifts) were radically different and all three companies were competitors.

Although I didn't contribute this section of the article (apart from a few minor edits), I can confirm that it is fairly accurate. Although I am now a retired, I did spend time as a lift engineer - study of the Eiffel Tower lifts was a required part of the training as they are (apparently) unique. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 16:50, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

On thinking further, I believe the parenthesised comment about the seats could be deleted without affecting the factual nature of the article. It is a bit of a throw away comment after all. What do you (or anyone) think? DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 16:57, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I did cite Vogel, which is probably the most authoritative work on the subject. As to your point about the reluctance of competing companies to share details about their products, I would point out that the 1900 blueprints show all of the elevator mechanisms in great detail. (I highly recommend getting the reprint if you can...it's a magnificent book if you have any interest at all in the tower, especially from an engineering viewpoint. Vogel's book on the elevators can be downloaded free via Amazon if you have a Kindle, too.)

All said and done, it's an extremely petty point to argue about. You are welcome to make whatever changes you deem suitable, and I won't pursue it any further.Ormewood (talk) 23:28, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

OK, I've deleted it. It adds nothing to the technical design and construction of the lifts and It looks like an unprovable point with certainty. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 16:33, 8 October 2011 (UTC).......

Please add info about nearest subway/Metro

It's suprise - for at least me that nearest Metro station of line 1 is Charles de Gaulle or Roosevelt(similar distance). Also as You known it is not so near there, even the Metro was built on the same exposition, like Tower.

Still the nearest station is M6/M9 Trocadero, and You have to cross the river for it.

No, the nearest Metro station is Bir Hakeim on line M6, and you don't have to cross the Seine or go up a hill. It is about 600 meters away from the tower (as the crow flies) along the Quai Branly, while the Trocadéro station is across the Seine more tham 700 meters away. Even closer on the same side of the river is the underground station named Champ de Mars - Tour Eiffel. However it is not on the Metro, it is on the Réseau Express Régional, RER, which is a rapid transit network of five railway gauge lines serving Paris and its suburbs.--Tvbanfield (talk) 20:50, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

(Something unbelievable still today, probably hard to imagine - for e.g. Would You imagine Big Ben without Westminster underground station? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.75.70.254 (talk) 03:36, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Not really. St Stephen's Clock Tower (Big Ben is actually a bell, not the tower itself) existed for a number of years without Westminster station. 109.153.242.10 (talk) 13:42, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 December 2011

In the section 'Attempted Relocation', it is incorrectly stated that secret negotiations took place with President Charles DeGaulle in the 1980's. President DeGaulle died in 1970'

KBMason (talk) 01:35, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

It says that the interviews were given, by someone else, in the 1980s not that the discussions happened then. Also the event they were discussing moving it for was Expo 67 with was in 1967 so the talks must have happened before that. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 01:47, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 December 2011

Eiffel Tower from Paris is built with steel made in Resita, Romania. On every piece of metal that made up the Eiffel tower he said “Made in Resita – Romania.”

78.96.116.210 (talk) 02:37, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Bility (talk) 22:42, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 December 2011

Few people know that the symbol of Paris, the famous Eiffel Tower was made by a technology invented by engineer George Panculescu from Romania.

After he graduated from Polytechnic in Zurich, the engineer started to work at a company for Eiffel, to the recommendation of the great writer Alecsandri. In 1878, he went back to Romania to build the Bucharest-Predeal railway. At that time, the engineer has invented a system of joint of the railway sleepers, which would revolutionize the metal construction.

So, due to self-assembly method on railway sleepers outside the space of railways, the engineer managed to finish the work in less than a year, although the delivery term was almost of 5 years.

Panculescu hosted Gustave Eiffel who was impressed by the novel, and has moved to meet the Panculescu, who was to become general inspector of the Romanian Railways. Eiffel wanted to see this technology used for fitting the railway.

Eiffel Tower from Paris is built with steel made in Resita, Romania. On every piece of metal that made up the Eiffel tower he said “Made in Resita – Romania.”

The famous Tower was also designed as a famous monument, reinforcing the Statue of Liberty in New York, a gift from France to the United States.

Digging the foundation began on January 26 1887. For almost 5 months, dozens of people were digging only and only with shovels, earth evacuating vegonete out using horse-drawn vehicles or of steam. Foundations were filled with masonry , to secure each of the four pillars of the tower legs. After the foundations have been finished, the tower began to ascend seeing with the eye.

Besides the other Paris hotels , near the Eiffel Tower, there is a hotel with the most beautiful view to it, the Pullman Paris Tour Eiffel. It offers magnificant sights, modern facilities and free Wi-Fi.

Guests rooms from the Pullman Paris have air conditioning, satellite television and a mini-bar. Most of the rooms have a balcony with view to the Eiffel Tower, Sena river or the Champs de Mars Gardens.

78.96.116.210 (talk) 02:40, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Not done: Blatant copyright violation. — Bility (talk) 22:42, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 31 December 2011

In the "Timeline of Events" section of History of the Eiffel Tower wiki states that in the 1980s "A restaurant and its supporting iron scaffolding midway up the tower was dismantled; it was purchased and reconstructed on St. Charles Avenue and Josephine Street in the Garden District of New Orleans, Louisiana, by entrepreneurs John Onorio and Daniel Bonnot, originally as the Tour Eiffel Restaurant, later as the Red Room and now as the Cricket Club (owned by the New Orleans Culinary Institute). The restaurant was re-assembled from 11,000 pieces that crossed the Atlantic in a 40-foot (12 m) cargo container."

The restaurant in the Eiffel Tower that was dismantled and shipped to America (I've heard sometime in the 40s) was called the "Red Room." After sitting in storage in NY for decades the dismantled iron structure was shipped to New Orleans for the 1984 Worlds Fair, which took place in November. Later the structre on St. Charles Ave. housed an establishment dubbed "The Red Room" after the restaurant that the structure originally housed in France midway up the Eiffel tower. Originally the Red Room was opened as a club by night and restaurant by day. The Red Room closed in 2002 and then the "Eiffel building" (as it is known to locals) was reopened as The Cricket Club, a restaurant and lounge owned by NOCI. The Cricket Club has been closed since 2009, siting financial troubles in the wake of Hurricane Katrina http:. In 2010, five years after Katrina the building was restored and reopened as a museum, restaurant, and night club called "The Eiffel Society." The Eiffel Society remains there today as a popular nightclub and concert venue. Here's a link to their website:

Johnicekatz (talk) 05:14, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sources given do not support bulk of request. - DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 14:00, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

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Oh no: not again!. This is the third deletion nomination. AFAIIA, there has been no change in French copyright law since the last (rejected) nomination. 109.153.242.10 (talk) 13:52, 16 January 2012 (UTC)