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- 1 Mystery and legend no more
- 2 (Make legend primary topic)
- 3 Omoa as Eldorado ??
- 4 Is it Sibala or Eldorado?
- 5 What is chandenveer Tut ?
- 6 Move section: "El Dorado in popular culture" to El Dorado (disambiguation)
- 7 (Intro & diving)
- 8 Alexander von Humboldt disproved El Dorado?
- 9 Aguirre, the Wrath of God
- 10 Akator
- 11 Deception
- 12 "Eldorado" spelling
- 13 Orellana's relation to Pizarro
- 14 It's was a LIE
Mystery and legend no more
New findings dated January 2010--Reuter reports.. please follow up on new development and newer archaeological findings! New Eldorado city base and civilization found(only 10% spotted so far) with arial view near Bolivia and Brazil border, 60,0000 used to lived there from 200AD on until the Europeans exterminated them, see newer development: http://www.eso-garden.com/index.php?/weblog/C47/ AND http://www.the7thfire.com/Ancient_Cultures/The_Ancients.html . thanks Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 03:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- You obviously did not read the research report http://antiquity.ac.uk/Ant/083/1084/ant0831084.pdf . The word El Dorado is not used anywhere in the text. So it's like spotting a new species of fish in the Atlantic and concluding that the Loch Ness Monster exists. Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 08:50, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
In ancient time in that particular part of gold ridden South America, any sizeable city or civilization with such a huge population would be laden with gold, and I don't think such a statement is too far off from the truth- More people-more gold- a likely and conservative correlation.
- No mention of that in the original research report either. Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 17:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
There is no doubt the articles are in search of El Dorado also, that's why they posted same gold sculpture as yours, as only 10% is uncovered it's too soon to negate that it's not the eldorado. There could also be many Eldorados- not just one- that is the point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 20:35, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- El Dorado (meaning The golden or gilded one) is not a city. It is the name for an Muiscan chieftain who was initiated by covering him with gold dust and plunged into lake Guatavita. This is what the gold sculpture, you are refering to, means: a raft with the chieftain about to be immersed, accompanied by his attendants. The whole idea that El Dorado is a city, is incorrect.
- But did you read the account Pre-Columbian geometric earthworks in the upper Purús: a complex society in western Amazonia by Martti Pärssinen, Denise Schaan & Alceu Ranzi? Search the document and you will not find any reference to gold or El Dorado. On the other hand, someone inserted that in the press release. Why? There are many sites that uncritically copied this faulty press release. Just use Google search and look for a line in the press release and you will find lots of sites claiming the discovery of El Dorado, all basing themselves on the research report that doesn't say that. My guess is, this is part of viral marketing, because a Hollywood movie with Brad Pitt about the explorer Percy Fawcett (also mentioned in the press release) is planned. Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 13:16, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
That is partly correct, but in the Spaniards' mind, their goal was to get the hold on gold at all cost,they were willing to hunt down the chieftain(the one who covered himself with gold dust) so to strip his city state of its valuable like gold, and that was what the Spaniards did, had they find gold in their satisfaction is another matter but the wholesale destruction of the city state is true, wherever the Spaniard went to there were destruction and pillage, that's why you now find only the ruins but no one single living person, 60,000 was a lot of people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 03:57, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I THINK THAT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO MENTION IN THE ARTICLE THAT THE MUISCAN CIVILIZATION INHABITED PRESENT-DAY COLOMBIA. EVEN THE AIRPORT IN BOGOTA IS CALLED EL DORADO, THIS IS A MAJOR LEGEND IN THE NATION. So it is important to mention it in an encyclopedia. THANK YOU. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 01:50, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
(Make legend primary topic)
I think this page should be El Dorado (disambiguation) and El Dorado should be the page for the El Dorado (myth).--Cuchullain 05:47, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
- What Cuchullain meant (or would better have) four years ago was that
- so that
- What actually occurred, 5 months later, was that User:El Torrito (in the third of their 5 months of editing) did cut&paste-moves
- and necessarily (probably innocently, but fairly effectively) hiding the real previous contributors to the myth article under a Rdr to the relocated article.
In both cases, this created the appearance (in the absence of special care) that both the then existing texts should be attributing solely to El Torrito.
Admins have the technical permissions needed in such situations to closely reconstruct edit histories with the accurate attributions; i will record the fact here, if i reach the point in that process that in practice requires the same admin finish the task, before someone else does.
--Jerzy•t 06:35, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Omoa as Eldorado ??
This Omoa stuff needs references,the connection to ElDorado is not clear as El Dorado legend developed in South America not Central America, as it has been explained in the introduction of this article.--tequendamia 06:44, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- This secction also equals Omoa in Honduras to Manoa in Guyana. I wonder if his author is aware of the geographical differences. If is not corrected by his/her author I'll remove the contradictory sentences.--tequendamia 01:43, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Is it Sibala or Eldorado?
legend says that a slave survivor out of a group of 4 named Estabon who saved the tribe's dieing chief.
As a reward the people of the tribe took him to their city. A city of gold. Later, Estabon returned to find Sibala but could'nt.
In the end no one would know if the city existed.or know its real name. User:Zach Baron —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 06:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
- Quivira and Cíbola are part of a myth whose premise is set in Europe.
--Jerzy•t 07:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
What is chandenveer Tut ?
- In the initial contrib of this section, the 01:21, 24 April 2008 forgery by 126.96.36.199 has been struck thru.--Jerzy•t 06:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
The phrase "chandenveer Tut" near the beginning of this article looks like gibberish to me. Does it actually mean anything?
---this is the stupidest question ever
Psellus 17:44, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Move section: "El Dorado in popular culture" to El Dorado (disambiguation)
- In the initial contrib of this section, the 01:21, 24 April 2008 forgery by 188.8.131.52 has been struck thru.--Jerzy•t 06:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I think this section does not belong here.
---well your are also stupid because it is amazing right where it is! The article El Dorado (disambiguation) is the right place. I'd like to move it there.--tequendamia 00:58, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
(Intro & diving)
The into says the chief would dive into the lake after being covered with gold. Yet the actual acount mentions no such thing, there needs to be some conection or explanation as to where the rest of the legend comes from (diving into the lake). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 05:52, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Alexander von Humboldt disproved El Dorado?
It says that Alexander von Humboldt disproved the existance of El Dorado on the English maps marked by Sir Walter Raleigh. This does not appear anywhere on the article on Alexander von Humboldt. It also says See Parima-Tapirapecó. This article says nothing about Alexander von Humboldt disproving the existance of El Dorado on the maps either nor anything about the subject. --MicroX 01:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Aguirre, the Wrath of God
While the article mentions both Francisco Orellana and gives cultural uses of El Dorado as a metaphor, it does not acknowledge the film adaptation of the Francisco Orellana story by Werner Herzog. In Aguirre, the Wrath of God, Herzong follows him through his maddening journey (very much like Heart of Darkness) until he reaches the mouth of the Amazon with only a raft full of monkeys. I think it would be worth adding to this article as it is highly relevant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aguirre_the_Wrath_of_God —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soupyx (talk • contribs) 04:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
- who is oma
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 23:13, 25 September 2008
- The second IP's first, vandalistic edit 2 minutes earlier leaves it unclear whether "who is oma" would be better stated as
I've heard it said before that the natives simply told the stories with a bit of embellishment in order to induce the invaders to leave them alone. "Ya, El Dorado is west, way west, just keep walking west and don't come back here because we do not have the gold." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zerothis (talk • contribs) 05:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- (" Eldorado ")
in apposition to the subject of the lead sent. This spelling is common in place names and product names, and consequently has appeared in Dabs and in a temporary (and of course unacceptable) Dab/article hybrid, but does not seem to have previously been proposed for the article on the legend. Google gives
- 174 for "El dorado" "golden one" "South America" -wikipedia.
- 162 for "Eldorado" "golden one" "South America" -wikipedia.
- 138 for "Eldorado" "golden one" "South America" -wikipedia -cadillac
Of those 138, the first ten break down as involving (hits in more than one group still only counted once):
- in 6, use of both spellings
- in one each of the remainder,
- "Eldorado" as name of a business
- Eldorado, the work by Poe
- Eldorado, a high school in Albuquerque
- Eldorado Canyon State Park in Colorado (with "Golden one" BTW referring to the CO city and a distance from it)
Orellana's relation to Pizarro
Francisco de Orellana's relation to Francisco Pizarro is disputed,therefore making his relation to Gonzalo Pizarro unknown. Many historians believe Orellana and Francisco Pizarro are cousins, not father and son. The likelihood of Orellana to be Gonzalo's nephew, as stated in the article, is very low.--Morell4 (talk) 16:53, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
It's was a LIE
Why don't you people accept that the Incas made fools of the conquistadores by telling them to go on a "wild goose chase" throught the Amazonia simply to get rid(temporary) of the greedy conquistadores, El Dorado WAS and IS a mythical place invented by the Incas. To put it simple: NOBODY will ever find that place because it never existed, unless you are talking about ELO's album... This article need to be wikified correctly towards the historical truth... --18.104.22.168 (talk) 03:06, 30 July 2012 (UTC)