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Article has a bad slant
As a climatologist I have to take issue with the tone of this article comparing El Niño and La Niña as flip sides of the same coin. This is not true at all. This article needs a major re-write and as we are likely heading into at least an event, it should reflect our currently state of knowledge. I'll do as much as I can.Bwtranch (talk) 22:11, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Australia had some of its greatest flooding ever in 2010-2011. According to various pages on the Australian Bureau of Meteorology website (www.bom.gov.au) , a major cause of these was the very strong La Nina of the time coupled with a very strong Indian Ocean Dipole. Surely this has to be worth including? Old_Wombat (talk) 10:22, 17 July 2011 (UTC) OK, I have done this myself now. Old_Wombat (talk) 07:43, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Under the heading "The "Modoki" or Central-Pacific El Niño debate", the statement "The first recorded El Niño that originated in the central Pacific and moved toward the east was in 1986." needs an update to account for more recent research that has demonstrated that the 1982-1983 event was forced from the west as well, as demonstrated by Roundy, Paul E., George N. Kiladis, 2007: Analysis of a Reconstructed Oceanic Kelvin Wave Dynamic Height Dataset for the Period 1974–2005. J. Climate, 20, 4341–4355. This work demonstrated that the roughly 20 cm rise in sea level height at Christmas Island near 157W July 1982 was associated with an oceanic Kelvin wave that arrived in the region from the west, triggered in association with a Madden Julian oscillation event over the western Pacific Ocean June 1982. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul.e.roundy (talk • contribs) 16:45, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Fom Talk:War#potential resource SciAm and Science News ... From Talk:Politics of global warming#SciAm resource and Talk:Effects of climate change on humans#El Niño-Southern Oscillation and Civil disorder resource ...
- El Niños may inflame civil unrest; Climate pattern correlates with increased risk of conflict By Janet Raloff October 8th, 2011; Vol.180 #8 (p. 16) Science News, regarding Solomon Hsiang of Princeton University and his coauthors at Columbia University report in the Aug. 25 Nature (journal), with comments by statistician Andrew Solow of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts and Neil Johnson of the University of Miami and Yaneer Bar-Yam of the New England Complex Systems Institute in Cambridge, Mass; excerpt ...
About every seven years, climates in tropical regions swing between conditions dominated by an El Niño and those moderated by a La Niña (cooling in equatorial Pacific waters). During El Niño years, the likelihood that a new civil conflict would erupt in equatorial nations was roughly 6 percent, or twice that for La Niña periods.
Currently paragraph 2 of the lede begins
- ENSO causes extreme weather (such as floods and droughts) in many regions of the world.
But ENSO is defined as a climate pattern, not a specific extreme portion of the pattern. Shouldn't it say something like the following?:
- The extremes of this climate pattern's oscillations cause extreme weather (such as floods and droughts) in many regions of the world.
I can't think of any reason for this to be hyphenated. "Niño-Southern" is not a compound. This article should probably move to El Niño Southern Oscillation. I think someone meant something like "El Niño, Southern Oscillation" or "El Niño – Southern Oscillation" or "Southern Oscillation of El Niño", but none of that contortion is really necessary. And why is "Southern Oscillation" capitalized? Are meteorological oscillations always treated as proper nouns? If not, then this article should really be at El Niño southern oscillation. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 20:47, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- El Niño is the common name of the Southern Oscillation, and El Niño-Southern Oscillation (with the hyphen, dash, or some other short horizontal line) is a term commonly used in the scientific literature (e.g. ). "Southern Oscillation of El Niño" would be incorrect. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 20:54, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- I just came here to see if there was any explanation for this cryptic name, too, as the hyphen makes no sense at all. Sources include phrases like "El Niño‐Southern Oscillation" (with hyphen), "the El Nino/Southern Oscillation (ENSO)", "El Nino: Southern oscillation and climatic variability", "El Niño southern oscillation phenomena", "El Niño–Southern Oscillation" (with en dash), "El Niño/Southern Oscillation", "El niño and the southern oscillation". These are often adjective phrases modifying event, cycle, phenomenon, etc., but also often are found alone as noun phrases. It's clear the punctuation means "and", or "also known as", and connects the two parallel terms "el niño" and "southern oscillation". So the hyphen needs to be an en dash, per MOS:DASH, to conform to our styling guidelines. All case variations are commonly found, but capitalized "El Niño" has been dominating in recent years ; similarly on Southern Oscillation. So, I'd say either just change the hyphen to en dash, or rename the article El Niño, which is clearly what it's most commonly called. Dicklyon (talk) 05:13, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
The section on a possible link to Global Warming seems biased to me. The existence of Global Warming IS in dispute and yet the article discusses a possible link between El Nino and Global Warming as if Global Warming definitely exists for a fact. It does not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs)
Disputed by who? By oil companies and people with a vested interest yes. By climatologists and people who actually study and research climate its essentially unanimously accepted — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eggilicious (talk • contribs) 13:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
"El Niño is Spanish for "the little boy" and refers to the Christ child,"
Uhh, it's a little more subtle than that, you need to pay attention to the UPPER/lower case letters.
"El niño" (lower case initial 'n') is indeed Spanish for "The little boy", but it means no more than that; ie, a generic little boy.
"El Niño" (upper case initial 'N') would in English be more like "THE little boy", and that then specifically refers to the infant Jesus, for the reason stated.
Requested move 2013
Problems created by name change and the solution
- Yes, it should be called ENSO, EL Nino is just confusing since the topic also covers La Nina - both part of ENSO. Please go ahead WMC. prokaryotes (talk) 08:12, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
- This was discussed last year in the talk page, with the discussion lying just above. I agree with William's assessment -- this article was about ENSO as a whole when I edited it a few years ago, but it became very El Niño heavy. El Niño is the most common name related to ENSO as well -- both of the above prompted the move. Wikipedia doesn't care who or what is right, just what's more popular. Information on La Nina was minimized out of necessity since it is no longer the topic of this article, with the removed content preserved in the La Nina article. The ENSO article has reappeared, which summarizes the content of the El Nino, La Nina, Gilbert Walker, Walker circulation, Southern Oscillation, and MJO articles. I think we might be better off, the way this is turning out. Thegreatdr (talk) 13:18, 30 June 2014 (UTC)