Talk:Elections in the Palestinian National Authority

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Does anyone know how long the terms are for each office? And when they actually take office?

The answer is actually not straightforward: The Palestinian Basic Law and the Elections Law do not provide a clear answer to this, and they are somewhat contradictory. Presidential term is limited to four years, but the date of the next elections is tied to the Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC) election. Taking into account that President Abbas was elected in January 2005, this means that his presidency will need to be terminated in January 2009 in order to be compliant with the law. However, The Elections Laws confirm the four year limit, but they also state that the next Presidential elections will be held at the same time as the PLC elections. As the term for the PLC elections is also four years and the PLC was elected in January 2006, this would mean that the next Presidential and PLC elections will be held in January 2010.

You can more here: Potjernik (talk) 05:21, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Can someone please transliterate the arabic list names into arabic transliteration (like in the case of Fatah)?

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain t/c 18:49, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Elections in the Palestinian National AuthorityElections of the Palestinian National Authority – The conciseness at Talk:Palestinian_National_Authority#Organization_or_Place.3F and seams to overwhelmingly be that the PNA is a "government", rather then a place like Hong Kong or Iraqi Kurdistan, and the Palestinian_National_Authority article would seam to back that up, so "of" would be more arcerate then "in". Also, the vast majority of our "Palestinian National Authority" articles say "of" rather then "in" (look up intitle:of the Palestinian National Authority and intitle:in the Palestinian National Authority). Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 15:19, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

The current title would be rather like saying "Elections in the Government of Hong Kong". Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 16:51, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

  • The issue is a bit muddled for me. Do PNA elections cover the West Bank, Gaza Strip, or both? My impression was that the PNA controlled the former and Hamas the latter, but the Hamas victory in 2006 is mentioned here. If the article only covers the West Bank, I'd support the proposal as given. If it describes elections in the whole Palestinian territories, I'd suggest Elections in the Palestinian territories as a better name. --BDD (talk) 17:16, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
    • Hadn't thought of that. That would be just as much an issue with the propose title as it is with the current one however so that's not an argument against changing "in to "of" tough. I have no objections against BDD's idea, I don't know if this article covers the post-2007 Gaza Strip. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 17:30, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
    • The last discussion about distinguishing the Hamas and Fatah regimes ended in no conciseness, so let's keep this distinction about "in" vs "of", and save weather to distinguish the Hamas and Fath regimes for another discussion. I don't expect my proposal to be too controversial, whereas BDD's might be allot more controversial. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 17:46, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Are they electing officials in the PNA? If they are, which seems to be the case, the title as it stands works fine. The article does has problems, as it's not clear what scope the elections cover (all of the PT, PNA-controlled regions, etc.?) ~Araignee (talkcontribs) 18:58, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Thar electing officials such as the President of the Palestinian National Authority not the President in the Palestinian National Authority. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:28, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't agree with "Elections in the Palestinian territories", because it only brings vagueness to the topic. Whether the PNA has in practice authority in both WB and Gaza or only in the WB is irrelevant for the title - the PNA elections are held wherever PNA has authority to organize such elections. In the article itself it will be explained (e.g. "PNA agreed with Hamas to have elections in Gaza" or "Hamas contests Fatah-led PNA leadership and will organize its own separate elections in Gaza" or whatever the situation is - and depending on the case there may be a separate election page, if needed). Regarding in vs. of - I agree with both, but I'm not a native English speaker. Japinderum (talk) 06:53, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
President of the Palestinian National Authority is same weight as President of Syria, President of Egypt, President of Russia etc.Greyshark09 (talk) 12:12, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment; at the PNA article I have argued to view PNA as a polity entity not a country (the geographic location would be oPt or Palestine). However, I think this article is an example were PNA is the proper term to use (albeit there were some municipal elections organized prior to the PNA, which would fall outside the article). The difference between 'in the PNA' or 'of the PNA' isn't that big in this case, as 'in the PNA' can mean 'within the PNA'. Also do notice that Gaza is still very much part of the territory under PNA jurisdiction, Hamas govt never declared themselves as separate from PNA. On the contrary they claim to represent the legitimate PNA govt (and their case is not necessarily weaker than the Fatah-led rule in Ramallah). --Soman (talk) 20:16, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
    • "Of" just seams more accurate then "in" because the PNA is an administrative organization, not a place. I guess it comes down to the question of can the word "in" be used like this, for an the elections of an organization, and if so would it be better to use "of"? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:23, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose - per ongoing discussion at Talk:Palestinian_National_Authority#Organization_or_Place_entity.3F on the issue whether PNA is an entity or just and organization.Greyshark09 (talk) 12:09, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose - PNA is also a geographycal entity. Pluto2012 (talk) 12:49, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
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Article title again[edit]

I propose to change the title into Elections in the State of Palestine. I think the former discussion was improper.
The article also covers Gaza; PNA elections were also held there. Even if elections for a Hamas-government occur (were they elected democratic?), they happen in Palestine.
There can be/should be a separate section about elections of a Hamas-government. --Wickey-nl (talk) 07:58, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

By the way, the current title is absolute nonsense, because elections in the Palestinian National Authority literally means elections within the PNA by PNA-members.--Wickey-nl (talk) 08:52, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
After rethink I adapt my proposal. Although Elections in the State of Palestine technically would be correct, as it is exactly the same territory, it is proper to choose Elections in the occupied Palestinian territories. We can wait for elections in the State of Palestine, and if they happen write a new article.
In any case the title should refer to a territory, which the PNA clearly is not. --Wickey-nl (talk) 12:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
You should put an official proposal and invite everyone from the previous vote to make it happen without a rightful objection. The issue is very much problematic.Greyshark09 (talk) 15:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)