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Elementary school should have it's own article[edit]

I honestly think that elementary school should have it's own article. i am so fat and suck. It even says in the UK that they formerly used elementary school. Elementary school has a lot of history. (MrsMacMan 19:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC))

I think we agree that an article on elementary school is needed. However the introductory paragraph must be neutral. You cannot introduce terminology which is specific to the US (like grades and grade school) and make it sound as though they apply to the whole world. I hope my amendments now provide a more neutral point of view. Dahliarose 20:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

SOCKEM- When did the name change.[edit]

In Seattle, we use the word sokem or sockem insted of dodgeball. Has anyone else use it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.45.100 (talkcontribs)

Age range[edit]

The section on US Elementary Schools does not give the age range, which means it is difficult to compare with other countries. Could somebody add this info? (I don't know the answer or I'd do it myself) Mrstonky (talk) 17:45, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

American terminology[edit]

The age ranges seem to be given with terminology that probably means nothing outside North America. For example what does "K2" mean? What ages are "grades 3 to 8"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.252.251 (talk) 20:47, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I was looking to find what K-N means but couldn't find it here. My guess is 'from Kindergarten to grade N'. 90.156.82.87 (talk) 07:44, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Brazilian Schools[edit]

The text presented has wrong information about the brazilian education. The text folow is from the INEP, one department of MEC, the Ministry of Education in Brazil. References: http://www.inep.gov.br/

NÍVEIS/MODALIDADES DE ENSINO

Creche: Instituição de assistência social que presta atendimento a crianças de até três anos de idade, no âmbito da Educação Infantil. Até o ano de 1996 não eram coletadas pelos Censos Escolares informações sobre esta modalidade da Educação Infantil, portanto, somente poderão ser obtidas em consultas referentes aos anos posteriores.

Pré-escola: Modalidade da Educação Infantil que presta atendimento a crianças de quatro a seis anos de idade.

Educação Infantil: Trata-se da primeira etapa da educação básica e tem como finalidade o desenvolvimento integral da criança até seis anos de idade, em seus aspectos físico, psicológico, intelectual e social, complementando a ação da família e da comunidade. A educação infantil é oferecida em (1) creches, ou entidades equivalentes e (2) pré-escolas.

Educação Básica: Compreende a educação infantil (creche e pré-escola), ensino fundamental e ensino médio.

Classe de Alfabetização(CA): Conjunto de alunos que são reunidos em sala de aula para aprendizagem da leitura e da escrita, durante um semestre ou um ano letivo. As classes de alfabetização formalmente não pertencem nem à pré-escola nem ao ensino fundamental.

Ensino Fundamental: Nível de ensino obrigatório (e gratuito na escola pública), com duração mínima de 8 (oito) anos, podendo ser organizado em séries, ciclos ou disciplinas. Tem por objetivo a formação básica do cidadão, mediante: (1) o desenvolvimento da capacidade de aprender, tendo como meios básicos o pleno domínio da leitura, da escrita, e do cálculo; (2) a compreensão do ambiente natural e social, do sistema político, da tecnologia, das artes e dos valores em que se fundamenta a sociedade; (3) o desenvolvimento da capacidade de aprendizagem, tendo em vista a aquisição de conhecimentos e habilidades e a formação de atitudes e valores; (4) o fortalecimento dos vínculos de família, dos laços de solidariedade humana e de tolerância recíproca em que se assenta a vida social. O ensino fundamental é presencial, sendo o ensino à distância utilizado como complementação da aprendizagem ou em situações emergenciais.

Fundamental Total: Ensino Fundamental de 1ª a 8ª série.

Fundamental 1ª a 4ª: Ensino Fundamental de 1ª a 4ª série.

Fundamental 5ª a 8ª: Ensino Fundamental de 5ª a 8ª série.

Ensino Médio: Nível de ensino com duração mínima de três anos. Trata-se da etapa final da educação básica. Tem por finalidades: (1) a consolidação e o aprofundamento dos conhecimentos adquiridos no ensino fundamental, possibilitando o prosseguimento de estudos; (2) a preparação básica para o trabalho e a cidadania do educando, para continuar aprendendo, de modo a ser capaz de adaptar-se com flexibilidade a novas condições de ocupação ou aperfeiçoamento posteriores; (3) o aprimoramento do educando como pessoa humana, incluindo a formação ética e o desenvolvimento da autonomia intelectual e do pensamento crítico; (4) a compreensão dos fundamentos científico-tecnológicos dos processos produtivos, relacionando a teoria com a prática, no ensino de cada disciplina.

Educação Especial: É uma modalidade de educação escolar oferecida na rede regular de ensino ou em escolas especializadas, para educandos portadores de necessidades especiais. A oferta de educação especial, dever constitucional do Estado, tem início na faixa etária de zero a seis anos, durante a educação infantil e o atendimento educacional é feito em classes, escolas ou serviços especializados, sempre que, em função das condições específicas dos alunos, não for possível a sua integração nas classes comuns de ensino regular.

Educação de Jovens e Adultos (EJA): Destina-se àqueles que não tiveram acesso ou continuidade de estudos no ensino fundamental e médio na idade própria. É organizada em cursos e exames supletivos, habilitando o aluno/candidato ao prosseguimento de seus estudos em caráter regular.

EJA Presencial – Alfabetização: Educação de Jovens e Adultos, em nível de alfabetização, com presença obrigatória dos alunos em sala de aula.

EJA Presencial – Fundamental de 1ª a 8ª série: Educação de Jovens e Adultos, em nível de ensino fundamental de 1ª a 8ª série, com presença obrigatória dos alunos em sala de aula.

EJA Presencial – Fundamental de 1ª a 4ª série: Educação de Jovens e Adultos, em nível de ensino fundamental de 1ª a 4ª série, com presença obrigatória dos alunos em sala de aula.

EJA Presencial – Fundamental de 5ª a 8ª: Educação de Jovens e Adultos, em nível de ensino fundamental de 5ª a 8ª série, com presença obrigatória dos alunos em sala de aula.

EJA Presencial – Médio: Educação de Jovens e Adultos, em nível de ensino médio, com presença obrigatória dos alunos em sala de aula.

EJA Presencial – Suplência Profissionalizante: Educação de Jovens e Adultos para alunos matriculados em cursos profissionalizantes, com presença obrigatória em sala de aula. Curso realizado em nível médio que reúne, para obtenção do diploma, a conjugação de duas etapas de estudos: uma parte de educação geral e outra de qualificação profissional.

EJA Presencial – Curso de Aprendizagem: Educação de Jovens e Adultos em curso de formação metódica no trabalho destinado a alunos de 14 a 18 anos de idade, podendo desenvolver-se a nível fundamental ou médio. A formação para o trabalho é feita diretamente nas empresas ou instituições por elas criadas.

Educação Superior: Abrange os seguintes cursos e programas: (1) cursos seqüenciais por campo de saber, de diferentes níveis de abrangência, abertos a candidatos que atendam aos requisitos estabelecidos pelas instituições de ensino; (2) graduação, aberto a candidatos que tenham concluído o ensino médio ou equivalente e tenham sido classificados em processo seletivo; (3) pós-graduação, compreendendo programas de mestrado e doutorado, cursos de especialização, aperfeiçoamento e outros, aberto a candidatos diplomados em cursos de graduação e que atendam às exigências das instituições de ensino; (4) extensão, aberto a candidatos que atendam aos requisitos estabelecidos em cada caso pelas instituições de ensino. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.47.138 (talk) 21:50, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Grade School[edit]

The first line of the article where it says "For specifically grade schools, see grade school" it links back to the article at hand. Is this on purpose? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.19.8.71 (talk) 17:05, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be an article for a grade school. I'm not sure what one is. I've deleted the hatnote as primary schools and grammar schools are already Wikilinked in the text. Dahliarose (talk) 21:03, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

the actual grades[edit]

I came to only have one question answered. What grades are considered elementary school? But it's really hard to get an answer from this page. It talks about middle school and high school grades (9-12) but I fail to see mention of grades (1-5) which are elementary. (6-8 are middle). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eydaimon (talkcontribs) 19:01, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Historic meaning of elementary school[edit]

With various edits the historic definition of elementary seems to have got deleted from this article. This is an important definition which needs to be included here. I've restored the content and added an additional reference. Dahliarose (talk) 13:05, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Merge into Primary school?[edit]

Be aware that as this discussion has developed, we seem to be moving towards a recommendation to create articles for the main types of Elementary school around the world (notably in the Canada, the USA and formerly in the UK)

Can I suggest we again discuss merging this article (and Junior school and Infant school and First school) into Primary school? I am suggesting this because they broadly cover the age range and the same subject. Guidelines suggest that Wikipedia is not a dictionary and contain a strong recommendation that there should only be one article for any one subject.

I suggest we keep Primary education separate. The 'school' article can cover in some depth how the institution operates and has developed, the education article can cover the theory and practice of teaching to this age group, and how that has developed. The format of these article will then mimic the Preschool and Early childhood education articles for this age group.

Fyi, I will also suggest on the Primary Education article that we split out an article titled 'Primary education by country' with all the country by country content content which is very long as it now includes the merged country content from this article and from Primary school as well as the original content.

Any thoughts?

-- PeterEastern (talk) 02:49, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

  • Not sure: I'm not sure I see any benefits. Certainly in the UK, and perhaps in Ireland, a primary school is a very different beast from an infant school, both in the operational structure and in the learning experience. I don't think they need to be merged. I'd prefer to keep them separate. Atlas-maker (talk) 08:05, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I don't disagree that there are some differences. Lets see what other views are expressed over the next day or so. Fyi, I have just found yet another article on pretty much the same subject, First school, which also has its own thin article! I will add it to the merge proposal as well now. PeterEastern (talk) 16:21, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Disagree: I disagree with the idea of a merge. There are too many differences between all these different types of schools and they cannot all be covered by one article. For example, an American elementary school is very different from a primary school in the UK and it makes no sense to have them both in one article. Elementary school has a specific historical meaning in the UK. I previously restored this meaning to this article, and will reinstate it. Please can you discuss before deleting it again. Dahliarose (talk) 10:26, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for responding. I am, however, unclear what you are referring to when you say 'Please can you discuss before deleting it again'. To be clear I have only made minor edits to the article (other than merging the 'country by country' content into Primary education yesterday), and have never deleted or proposed the deletion of this article. PeterEastern (talk) 16:27, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Support the merge. Both articles cover the main elementary (US name) or primary (UK name) education of children. One article on this topic would do a better service to our readers, by having a single encyclopedic treatment of the topic in Wikipedia. Obviously however, the distinctives of the typical US vs. typical UK vs typical other country or culture's treatment and handling of such education can be explicated and contrasted in the article. Cheers. N2e (talk) 15:12, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Reserved Support: I'm not going to object outright (although was tempted), but if a merge is chosen as the way forward then it is important that the distinctions between the school types are clearly covered in the combined article, not just presuming to subsume the small entities under the larger. Perhaps ensuring that infant / junior / first are at the very least linkable subheadings within the larger article. Tafkam (talk) 20:22, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

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I hear the reservations. Possibly we should think about other approaches to the problem.

My objection to the current article remains that it is more appropriate to a dictionary than a encyclopedia. Would it be better to fork an Elementary school (England and Wales) article (which can then include a considerable amount of detail about when and why they were set up in the UK, their legislative basis, and then why they were eventually replaced). We can separately create an Elementary school (United States) article, which will cover the same topics as they related and still relate to the USA. Might this work better? The same can be done for other jurisdictions and other types of school if desired. PeterEastern (talk) 23:43, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I can see no reason to move the main subject away from Elementary school to some disambiguated naming scheme. If anyone wishes to write an article about the historical use of the name in the UK then that would be an appropriate title. But what is the failure that raises from the current naming schemes? Atlas-maker (talk) 00:04, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

List of targets[edit]

Any more? Atlas-maker (talk) 00:04, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by 'list of targets'. If you are saying that I have also highlighted these as being 'dictionary' style articles, then you would be correct. These are all the article that I have found so far in the Primary education age-range (5-11). There are also Middle school, Central school and no doubt others which are in the widest Elementary school age range (being 5-14) but which now appear to be secondary education. It may be appropriate to fork of a Primary school (England and Wales) article in particular. Let's however focus on Elementary school in the first instance. PeterEastern (talk) 06:00, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
The list of targets is a list of articles that should be affected by any merge. It would be silly to merge some and not the others. Atlas-maker (talk) 09:58, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
I understand, however these are already all listed in my intro paragraph to this section. If however we agree that the better route would be to create articles for notable instances of these types of school around the world, then there would be no big merge. Personally I am for this second approach now. PeterEastern (talk) 10:35, 7 December 2013 (UTC)