Talk:Ellen Terry

Link to Dickens

Where is the link to Charles Dickens? Septentrionalis 22:02, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

That was Ellen Turnan.

Middle Name

Encarta has her middle name as "Alicia", even though The Times obituary on its site uses Alice. Britannica strangely gives no middle name at all. The Dictionary of National Biography, which is the most authoritative source of British biographical information uses Alice and adds the reversal I have mentioned in the article.

Correct Date of Birth?

In her autobiography, she states that she was born in 1848 and was married shortly before her 16th birthday. Other sources cite her birthdate as 1847 and maintain that she married shortly before her 17th birthday. I changed the dates to those in her autobiography, but I am not sure if they are correct.Alcinoe 20:45, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

There is an online exhibition at the Family Records Centre which shows she was born in 1847. Regards Arniep 19:13, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick answer. I wonder why she changed her birthdate.Alcinoe 20:45, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

It could just be absentmindedness, a mistake in the printer, who knows??? I doubt it was for vanity reasons as she would have shaved a lot more years off! Arniep

Sorry I mentioned the birthdate in the wrong section. It IS 1847 as her niche in St. Paul's Covent Garden shows. I've understood that her family shaved the year off so that she would be seen as suitable for her first theatre role (where she played a young boy). Of course, in my personal case, my father "lost" a year; his large family forgot what year he was born. He thought it was 1937 and they insisted it was 1938. A niece found his birth certificate in 1987 and told him he was right; he was 50.

The correct date IS 1847. It was not acknowledged in her life but the niche in St. Paul's Covent Garden bears the 1847 date. If you have any question about the date, you should ask them. It says: 1847-1928. I took a picture of the niche which was included in an article I published that mentions her cremation at Golders Green (London). 67.187.100.198 (talk) 18:31, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Lisa Kazmier, PhD.

Yes, thanks, it's definitely 1847. Her birth certificate says so! -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:01, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Article status

I added information and links to this article, but much more can be said about Terry, one of the most important Victorian era actresses. In particular, more needs to be said about the arc of her career. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 23:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I am the daughter of David F Cheshire who wrote The Portrait of Ellen Terry listed in the references. I am happy to add more information, but much would be taken from Dad's book: is this appropriate. Please advise? Ellen (honestly - I have a brother called Henry!!!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Douglas08 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

How come there is no mention of Lewis Carroll? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.103.184.57 (talk) 21:26, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

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I've also placed a better version of "Choosing" in the article. Dcoetzee 02:09, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! These are beautiful. I added one. I think the one on the left is too similar to "Choosing", and the article is bursting with images, so I didn't add it. More information about the images could be added to the descriptions. For instance, you wrote date "unknown", but the website gives the information in some of the cases. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:01, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Edits restored

I respect Ssilvers' objections to some edits I made. However some good edits were reverted at the same time, which I restored and should be uncontroversial. Please let me know on my talk page if there is anything further. Thanks, Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 05:03, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Tenterden template

I've reverted the removal of {{Tenterden}} from this article. Ellen Terry lived in Smallhythe Place for over a quarter of a century. The use of the template is fully justified as Small Hythe comes under the parish of Tenterden. Mjroots (talk) 22:00, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't think this navbox belongs here. The fact that Terry lived in Small Hythe, and the fact that it is near Tenterden is adequately represented by the links already in her article. The other stuff in the navbox is irrelevant to Terry. Plus, I don't think a navbox is supposed to expand to another whole Wikipedia article, is it? What does everyone think? -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:21, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The relevance of the template is to Tenterden, not Ellen Terry. That is why it is called {{Tenterden}} and not {{Ellen Terry}}. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "expand to another whole Wikipedia article". The navbox is displayed normally collapsed because it looks neater that way, particularly when there are many navboxes. For an extreme example, see the Margaret Thatcher article. As I explained on your talk page, Ssilvers, one benifit of the navbox is that it helps with building the web, particularly for the more obscure articles. Mjroots (talk) 10:19, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

On the contrary, as I explained to Mjroots, I think the navbox interferes with building the web properly, because it adds links to the "what links here" tab that are not actually relevant links in the article. It seems to be an artificial method of protecting non-notable articles from being considered for deletion. More relevant here, however is my above point that the navbox is redundant in this article, since there are adequate links about Small Hythe and Tenterdon. The box could be considered to give Tenterdon WP:UNDUE weight in this article. Can anyone other than Mjroots please comment? -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The inclusion of any article in a navbox makes no judgement on the notability of the article. Any editor is welcome to nominate in good faith any article which they feel does not meet notability standards. Should an article be deleted via PROD or AfD, it will then be removed from the navbox. Mjroots (talk) 19:37, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I also feel that the inclusion of the Tenterden template is not appropriate on the Ellen Terry article because the places mentioned are already adequately blue linked in the text. I speak as the creator of four of the articles on the template (Smalllhythe Place, Edith Craig, Clare Atwood and Christabel Marshall). Jack1956 (talk) 21:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Jack1956's comments seem to me most convincing. I think we have a consensus for removing the template. In truth, I think is is not only inappropriate but rather incongruous in this article. Unless any new contributors vote against I propose to delete it. Tim riley (talk) 22:10, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

OK, I can see that consensus is against the template remaining on the article and will respect that. The removal of the template from this article is not carte blanche for the removal of the template from any other article it is used on, nor it is to be used as a reason to remove the Ellen Terry article from the template. Those should be separate discussions at the appropriate venues. Mjroots (talk) 07:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I think that's a fair point. I can't see any reason why it needs to be removed from any of the other articles. I added the template to the Edith Craig article. Jack1956 (talk) 07:49, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Mjroots's willingness to go along with the consensus here is greatly appreciated. Point taken about other pages, naturally. Tim riley (talk) 15:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the courtesy, Mjroots. I hope you will be more selective in placing these placename templates on articles only where the person or thing had a connection with the place that cannot be adequately understood from a bluelink to the town and the text in the article itself. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:14, 25 November 2010 (UTC)