Talk:Elmira College

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Hey, I'm currently a student at Elmira College and I wanted to add some information about the college. I started putting some information about the college's origins on this page; all of the information has come from the book cited on the page. This is my first major attempt at editing an article, so if I do something incorrectly, I apologize. Please let me know what I can do to help improve this article. Thank you! - BNL52577 06:38, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Security/Other issues[edit]

I think that it is worthwhile to note that Elmira College is located in Elmira, which has fallen on tough times since manufacturing and railroads declined. I mean, there was a shooting a block behind Alumni Hall over the summer, I have heard a shooting occur as a student there. I heard a lot of the temporary workers for buildings and grounds have criminal records, and one was even fired for being a crack dealer. Is there a way that these things could be included in the page? I can tell by looking at the IP address of edits that Elmira College edits the page to add positive information. Most of the information pulled from the article comes almost word for word from the admissions brochures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.245.1 (talk) 03:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


Deletion[edit]

As far as I know, it is not officially classified as a liberal arts college.

-I'm pretty sure that someone at the college declared that it is a liberal arts college, and the book on its early history agrees. However, until I have proof, I won't mess with that section of the article. (By the way, thanks to you and the other person who edited the article. It's nice not to be the only one working on it!) Paul 04:26, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

-The college is a liberal arts college. Page five of the College's Bulletin (aka Catalogue) states this fact. Additionally Wikipedia's own definition of "Liberal Arts Colleges" states "They encourage — and often require — their students to take a substantial number of classes in topics which may not directly relate to their vocational goals, in an effort to provide a "well-rounded" education." This is also true of the college and is evident from reading the Bulletin. Skidude9950 18:46, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Pics[edit]

This article really needs pictures to complement it (the study, main building, seal, historical ones, ect)! If I could find them I would not know how to incorporate them. Maybe you could look into that.

Terms[edit]

Coming from a person who does not know much about the college, though a little nontheless, the explanation of terms is a bit confusing and is in need of clarification.

Feedback[edit]

I would appreciate feedback on my edits. Personally, I feel they make the article more interesting and coherent.

Suggestions[edit]

The history section could be improved (you said you have an entire book of info), and I'm sure that there are more than just two buildings on campus.

I appreciate your assistance in editing this article greatly. However, could you please not edit it one word at a time? It's a little frustrating scrolling through such a large amount of edits only to see a change in a handful of words. Also, if you don't mind me asking, how do you know about the college? I stopped editing the entry because I've returned to school and haven't had enough time. I plan to work more on it sometime soon, hopefully. Thank you very much for helping! Paul 05:29, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Later[edit]

It might be some time before I can finish editing.

?[edit]

I want to know who butchered my edits without posting, which is really rude. Wikis are about communities with open discussion. Plus, if you don't like the language, then I just don't know what to say. Read the first chapter of "Alexander Hamilton," which vividly describes the island where he was born. Encyclopedia articles need not be dry and professorial.

That was me. I'm sorry if you don't like the changes I made, but way it was seemed rather too verbose. I'm assuming that these are your edits, and that that's why you're offended by the change. I wasn't trying to be rude to anyone or butcher anything, but the version I saw looked like it contained many sentences that had too many clauses. The first sentence was made nearly three times as long as the previous version, for instance. The first two sentences total to 114 words.
While it's true that wikis are about communities with open discussion, it's not generally expected that every single edit a user makes to an article will be preceded by a post on its Talk page.
It's also true that part of the nature of a wiki is that contributions will be edited mercilessly. It doesn't make sense for one to become attached to a particular set of stylistic flourishes that have been added.
I'm sorry you found the edits rude, but reverting outright is also sometimes considered rude. If you think my edit "butchered" your edits, you might also consider that your reversion chopped away the wikilinks I added to Ithaca, Corning, B.A., B.S., MBA, and the link to Mark Twain that avoided a needless redirect and parenthetical.
I think that the article has become too wordy. I don't think that the geologic history of the region or the drug problems of the host town are so important that they need to be put into the first two sentences of the article. Nevertheless, it seems like you pretty strongly prefer your own version, so I won't fight you over it.
By the way, you can sign your posts easily by typing four tildes (~~~~). This marks the date, time, and contributor, so that other people can see that it really was the same editor posting under LCB (this makes impersonation harder, for instance). You might also consider creating an account so that you can benefit from a personal watchlist, your own Talk page, and the ability to set your own preferences. We've probably gotten off on the wrong foot, but regardless: Welcome!
--Mr. Billion 08:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry[edit]

Sorry for overreacting. I agree the geography could be used and I have toned down the language a little. Could you work on rearranging it.

The first?[edit]

Is there any evidence for 24.97.210.40's statement that Elmira was "the first institution of higher learning to offer a college education for women comparable to the male colleges and universities of the time"? thejabberwock

I don't think so; I know (and have a confirming source) that it was one of the first, which is why I worded it that way. The problem with the anonymous person who has been editing this page is that he or she has not given any sources. BNL52577
I changed it back, pending the addition of sources by 24.97.210.40. By the way, BNL, try to remember to sign your posts on talk pages with ~~~~. thejabberwock 04:53, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I added back the first womens college fact, as well as a source. The actual source is a book called "A History of Women's Education in the United States", by Thomas Woody, the link I added is from Vassar's website and quotes that book.
I want to thank you for adding such a substantial feature to the article. It made me incredibly happy. Paul 15:13, 1 February 2006 (UTC)