Talk:Embankment tube station

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Contradiction?[edit]

This article appears to contradict itself; in the "History" section the original name is stated as Charing Cross, but the "In Popular Culture" section claims that Embankment was the original name of this station, and that this was "reinstated" in 1976.

These can't both be true, so which is it? — 94.197.229.40 (talk) 22:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

They are both correct, although the "In Popular Culture" section is poorly worded. It all depends on which bit of the station you are talking about. The oldest part of the station, opened by the Metropolitan District Railway in 1870 and now the Circle and District line platforms, was called "Charing Cross". The Bakerloo line platforms opened in 1906 and they were originally called "Embankment". When the Northern line platforms opened in 1914, both it and the Bakerloo line platforms were called "Charing Cross (Embankment)" although the Circle line platforms kept their original name. It was not until 1974 that the tube and sub-surface parts of the station officially had the same name which was, for a time, "Charing Cross Embankment" before the current name was introduced in 1976. A detailed explanation of the various names the station has had is available from the first of the external links on the article page. --DavidCane (talk) 21:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The Hour and "Embankment"[edit]

The following addition by BONNUIT seems to have been deleted rather hastily:

In the third episode of the BBC's drama series The Hour (2011), set in 1956, one of the main characters (Ben Whishaw as Freddie Lyon) claimed to have been followed as he left Embankment station, a name not adopted until twenty years later.

This was nevertheless an interesting aside, noted at the time of viewing by those of us old enough to have travelled through Charing Cross in the 1950s and, I suggest, undeserving of proprietorial sarcasm. LymeRegis (talk) 17:22, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

See my edit summary. I removed it because it was trivia; it was also sourced only to the TV episode concerned, which falls foul of WP:NOR.
There are an awful lot of dramas on TV, in films and indeed in books, where historical accuracy is compromised. There are three possible reasons for this: (i) the scriptwriter failed to undertake proper research; (ii) the scriptwriter deliberately used the current name to reduce unfamiliarity; (iii) artistic license. As it happens, the name "Embankment" had been in use for this station prior to 1974: it was the name used by the Bakerloo from opening in 1906 until 1914; and between 1914 and 1915 the Bakerloo and Hampstead (present-day Northern Line) Tubes used the name "Charing Cross (Embankment)". --Redrose64 (talk) 17:54, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

So be it, but you surely don't have to be sarcastic in the process, as your comment in making the deletion undoubtedly was. And you might consider doing others the courtesy of seeking their views first. (Incidentally, the fact that Embankment was so called previously, of which, of course, I was well aware, is not especially relevant to the suggested amendment which, in my humble view and sinfully transgressive as you say it is, did at least add a bit of colour to a rather dull article.) Still, I'll leave you to it. LymeRegis (talk) 19:51, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, LymeRegis, for your comments! Mine was a rather casual addition, but I fear that we oldies are unable to compete with our Lancastrian colleague's gnomic enthusiasm and lofty disdain. Whether Wikipedia is the better for it, I don't know, but silly me for daring to trespass on someone else's territory! All good wishes BONNUIT (talk) 20:16, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

  • Don't worry, not that I imagine you do. I too find the high handed treatment of this irritating and was thinking of reinstating the change as a matter of principle. Sentorian (talk) 20:33, 4 August 2011 (UTC)