Talk:Emiliano Zapata

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Good edits, Sam... I took out the rage Against the Machine bit because, well, while they're cool, theirs is one of a billion contemporary Zapata references, and if we included them all it would get ridiculous. Graft 18:43 4 November 2002 (UTC)

It's the only one I've heard of... and I'd say RATM have been an important factor in publicising the Zapatistas. Perhaps it would go better on that page? -- Sam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tzartzam (talk • contribs) 18:50, 4 November 2002 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe there are no references quite so prominent in pop culture... there are about a dozen bands named after Zapata, and he IS a national figure a la George Washington in Mexico, if not so prominent in America.. A few decades ago they made a major hollywood movie about his life (Viva Zapata, staring Marlon Brando, I think). The first oil company of come a bye Herbert Walker Bush]] was named Zapata Oil, ironically enough. Even more ironically, the Bay of Pigs operation was called "Operation Zapata"...
I agree RATM played a big role in promoting the Zapatista cause, but if that belongs anywhere, it belongs in RATM or Zapatista, not in the Zapata article, i'd say. Graft 18:24, 4 November 2002‎ (UTC)[reply]
I have seen multiple uses of the quote "It's better to die on your feet, than..." etc. Notably: Catch-22, a film that uses the quote. Rise Against, an American punk band uses it too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.249.80.227 (talk) 03:43, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Indigenous is a question of customs and language not of blood[edit]

I don´t think it is necessary or fortuitous to mention the mixed blood of Emiliano Zapata in relation to his being indigenous or not. Racial heritage is not generally well seen as an indicator of membership of indigenous groups ouside of the US. However Zapata did speak an indigenous language, namely nahuatl (reported by indigenous eye and earwitnesses from Milpa Alta in Fernando Horcasitas book about memories of the revolution from Mila Alta) and was considered an elder in the indigenous community of Anenecuilco which gave into his charge precolumbian manuscripts. Womack says that he was unable to read these manuscripts, which is not surprising since zapata was a peasant and neither archeologist nor epigraphist but that he took them to the priest of Tetelcingo to help him translate it. Womack deducts that he didn't know nahuatl but the eywitness accounts as well as the demographics of Anenecuilco in that time period says that he more than likely to have been able to speak nahuatl.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnuspharao (talk • contribs)

Unless he had parents of different races he was not mixed race. Unless he had a white parent and a Native American parent he wasn't mestizo. Clearly he was of mostly native american descent, but since he wasn't raised with the culture he's automatically called a "mestizo" here on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.115.119 (talk) 19:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

he was raised with the culture, he spoke Nahuatl as the sources clearly show.·Maunus· ·ƛ· 21:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was guessing though, that it was his second language. Or that he was raised in the mainstream mexican culture, but spoke/learned nahuatl. In that case what is the point of calling him a mestizo? It just makes no sense to me.24.126.115.119 (talk) 02:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I do believe that Nahuatl was the first langauge of anenecuilco around the turn of the century, but I don't know if it was his first or second language, that is true. But another usage of the word "mestizo" is to refer to those who take part in mestizo culture more than in indigenous culture - no matter what their bloodlines are. But most important of all I don't see where in the article Zapata is called mestizo? Which paragraph are you talking about?·Maunus· ·ƛ· 07:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the first sentence in the early life section.24.126.115.119 (talk) 19:32, 15 June 2008 (UTC) A Search in the Horcasitas book does not support Zapata speaking Nahuatl, perhaps the citation is wrong, can you please supply the specific text. --174.50.64.32 (talk) 07:11, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Doña Luz Jimenez specifically say so when she describes the arrival of Zapata in Milpa Alta. I don't have the book with me here so I can't gve the page number, but I've read it many times. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 12:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There's a reprint of the English text in this book where you can read it[1].·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 12:07, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Emiliano Zapata (according to the Mexican census) comes from a region of Mexico where 9/10 "Zapata" households were listed as Afro-Mexican. I think Emiliano is of African and Indigenous heritage.Witchly (talk) 19:13, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[1]Witchly (talk) 19:13, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This is original research and I find the claim rather dubious, and in anycase being of Afromexican lineage doesnt change the fact that he lived and grew up in a predominantly indigenous Nahua community which would make him a Nahua (because ethnic membership is based on culture and selfidentification, not on colonial bloodlines). IN anycase the source is not reliable, and cannot be used for this article. The data would have to be cited to a reliable mainstream blog, not and advocacy website.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 19:32, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ "French Creole | Emiliano Zapata".


There are no Afro-Mexicans in Morelos. The mere existence of Afro-Mexicans is actually seriously challenged by population genetics. There is no evidence whatsoever of Zapata being Afro-Mexican. He also did not speak Nahuatl and was a Mestizo of likely predominantly Spanish descent. Most academics agree that he did not speak a world of Nahuatl. I think we should be careful with ideological "fashions" which seem to permeate understandings of Mexican history. Zapata was not even a peasant but came from a landowning family.Php2000 (talk) 10:40, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Se hace falta un articulo sobre los hacendados[edit]

It wasn't for nothing that Zapata's most famous quote was "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees." (Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas).

Does Wikipedia lack an article on the plantations (haciendas) where the indigenous people were forced workers from the Spanish conquests and land grants up until the 1900s?

Se hace falta un articulo sobre los hacendados, dueños de las haciendas en Mexico y su papel en la historia de Mexico y oprimido de los indiginas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocdnctx (talk • contribs) 14:27, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deification?[edit]

Is there a source for why Zapata is included in the category:Deified people? Posthumously venerated charismatic hero, for sure, but is there evidence for actual deification? Q·L·1968 ☿ 17:49, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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