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Valdosta Junior College Deleted?[edit]

Why was the section on the Valdosta Junior College campus deleted? It is historically factual and interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Article Needs More Photographs[edit]

Can someone help out by adding high quality photographs of the campus to this article? Photographs pertaining to Emory history would be useful as well. Thanks. Majoreditor 11:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

All of my Emory photos on Flickr are under an Attribution-ShareAlike license so they are usable... but most aren't really appropriate for an encyclopedia. If you think any will work, send me a message and I'll upload them. Nrbelex (talk) 05:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Jag Sheth[edit]

Jag Sheth appears to be the only one in the "notable faculty" shortlist here for whom there is no assertion of notability independent of his activity as a professor. This list is going to grow very, very long again if we set the bar at "one of the most notable professors in field XYZ". In the absence of an independent claim of notability, we should leave him for the longer list. ptkfgs 22:30, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree, the article needn't be junked up with lengthy lists. I just now stumbled across the link you mentioned, which is at the bottom of the article. I'd suggest promoting the link the way Washington University does. Also, one would expect to find Nobel winner Wole Soyinka on the Emory faculty list. I suppose I shall add him. Majoreditor 00:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
It's right there at the top of the "Notable faculty" section here. That's what the manual of style recommends. ptkfgs 00:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Seney Hall cannot possibly have been the scene of a photograph of a college class in the 1840s. Seney was not constructed until much later, 1890s I believe. (talk) 00:17, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Emory Eagle.gif[edit]

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More Information About the Arts?[edit]

I was wondering if it's okay with the creators/editors of this page to add more information about the arts and venues? We were thinking of adding this to the article, under the Athletics portion:


Two-thirds of Emory’s student body is involved in the arts with double majors, minors, or participation in student-organized groups in the areas of Art History, Creative Writing, Dance, Film Studies, Theater, and Visual Arts. There are approximately a dozen faculty-led and over 50 student-led arts organizations on campus, presenting about 300 events per year, 80% of which are free and open to the public.

Emory’s most widespread and well-known arts event is Campus MovieFest, begun in 2000 by four Emory students. Campus MovieFest is the world’s largest student film festival, with participating schools in Georgia, Boston, California, Florida and Scotland.

Donna and Marvin Schwartz Center for Performing Arts

The Schwartz Center was completed in 2003 and serves as the visual representation of the arts at Emory. It includes the Emerson Concert Hall, voted “best acoustics in Atlanta” by Atlanta Magazine*. The centerpiece of the concert hall is the massive Daniel Jaeckel Op. 45 organ. The Concert Hall also presents major musical recitals and performances, including those that are part of the Flora Glenn Candler Concert Series, which has recently showcased such artists as Joshua Bell, Itzhak Pearlman, and the National Philharmonic of Russia. The Schwartz Center also houses a blackbox theater and a dance studio.

Professional Companies

Theater Emory Theater Emory is the professional theater company in residence and is a unique collaboration of professional directors, actors, designers, choreographers, playwrights, and dramaturgs from throughout the United States and abroad, who work with students in productions and workshops, and serve as mentors and teachers in many courses. An important aspect of Theater Emory is the Playwriting Center at Emory, which creates a support system for the development of important new work for the stage and, increasingly, screen, with linking artistic and academic missions. The biennial Brave New Works Festival has developed over 100 new works.

Emory Dance Company The Emory Dance Company provides an in-depth study of a choreographic work from its beginning stages to the completed concert performance. The Company also regularly commissions choreographic works and musical scores by local and national guest artists. Performances include annual concerts of faculty works as well as programs directed and choreographed by students.

Coca-Cola Artist-in-Residence Program

Sponsored by the Coca-Cola Foundation, Emory’s artist-in-residence program allows for members of the Emory community and the metro-Atlanta area to experience the arts, especially many who otherwise would have limited access. World-class artists whose work reflects international and diverse cultural dimensions provide Emory and Atlanta area student with teaching, masterclasses, individual study, and lectures in addition to a public performance. Past notable participants have included Toronto Dance Theater, Joshua Bell, Jose Limon Dance Company, David Krakauer, Edgar Meyer, Chris Thile, Frederica von Stade, and Kenny Barron.

Schwartzcenter 19:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

The only objections you are likely to run into will revolve around 1)sourcing/references - have you got referenceable published sources to support the information in the text, and 2) your username, which places you in a position to be seen in violation of Wikipedia policies on self-promotion. It's better if someone else adds the information. Personally, I'm more than a bit surprised to find the Schwartz Center doesn't have it's own article here - something I would be happy to address, as it certainly is notable enough for it. AUTiger ʃ talk/work 20:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I do have sources, but agree that it would be more appropriate for someone else to add the information. I think it'd be great if you addressed the Schwartz Center issue. Thanks!
Schwartzcenter 20:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The issue I'm finding is that all the published articles on the Center are in the Pay-Per-View sections of the various newspapers' websites (the greatest number of which are in the AJC of course). That's making properly sourcing things a bit more difficult. AUTiger ʃ talk/work 18:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I did get the article started however: Donna and Marvin Schwartz Center for Performing Arts. AUTiger ʃ talk/work 18:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Secret Societies[edit]

Does anyone know if Swoops Revenge is a real secret society at Emory? I noticed an IP address added to the article. --Jerm (Talk/ Contrib) 18:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Sounds dubious. If it's real then it's new. Majoreditor 21:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I find the last 3 secret societies dubious (Ducemus, Speculum, and the Order of Ammon). The link given does not list specific secret societies. I can't edit it though, because I'm an Emory student and our incredulity about the existence of some of these (specifically speculum) is kind of common here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iank125 (talkcontribs) 16:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Location of Emory[edit]

An anon editor took offense to an incorrect statement he added to the article. Emory is not located in "the city of Atlanta." This isn't a subjective matter; Emory's campus is located east of the city limits. The term metropolitan area includes both urban and suburban environments. Some sources refer to Emory as urban; others, such as Emory Clinic, U.S. News and World Report and Emory's Office of Athletics, refer to it as suburban. I'm indifferent to the term as long as the article doesn't make a factual error. I've changed the phrase to "metropolitan Atlanta"; hopefully that will satisfy all. Majoreditor 14:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Discussion of new article on Emory Eagles (athletics)[edit]

Disavian tagged the athletics section as a possible spinnoff to a new article. Your thoughts?

IMO, it's a worthwhile goal. However, I don't think there's currently enough material to justify creation of a new article. If, however, someone want to expand the section then I would consider supporting a spinoff. Majoreditor 21:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

There's not enough to make an article of any real value, imho... Nrbelex (talk) 18:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Not enough to support an article. Not for the forseeable decade, even. ptkfgs 10:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Emory Alumni Association section[edit]

It's been suggested that the article doesn't need an entire section for the Emory Alumni Association. A quick check of other university articles reveals that most don't have a section on alumni orgnizations. The current section is of questionable encyclopedic value. I'd suggest deleting it. Thoughts/comments? Majoreditor 01:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm strongly in favor of its complete deletion. Nrbelex (talk) 02:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Boosterism isn't appropriate. Majoreditor (talk) 15:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


I sought a third opinion on whether to include the Sigma Nu championship [1]. The editor agrees that it doesn't belong in the article. The material is un-encyclopedic boosterism and trivia. Majoreditor (talk) 13:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Related along the same lines, the Notable faculty referenced with Emory -- some make perfect sense to include there, whereas other perhaps should be moved to List of persons associated with Emory University, thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


Why isn't there any separate article on Dooley? There are so many things about him, so many rumors. Lskatz (talk) 17:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

You answered half the question: if a lot of it is rumours, then there isn't much left to build a factual article on. —C.Fred (talk) 17:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

There have been newspaper articles and some facts on Emory's website. For instance, Emory Magazine and the actual story Lskatz (talk) 02:40, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Somebody could do us a great favor by creating an article on Dooley. Majoreditor (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


I think it is clear that we, on Wikipedia, have a consensus to say DeKalb on this. DeKalb IS the location of Emory. Emory IS NOT in Atlanta. The county's fire and police departments have Emory in their service zones. Therefore DeKalb is the de facto local government serving Emory. Readers care, or ought to care, that this is in DeKalb. On other articles we give specifics on locations. The article ALREADY says that it is in the Atlanta metropolitan area. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I concur with WhisperToMe. Majoreditor (talk) 00:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

The address of Emory is Atlanta. Part of Atlanta bleeds over into DeKalb County. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

The postal address does not always have anything to do with the location of the destination. (For point of reference, I once had a Falls Church, VA address even though I lived in Fairfax County.) Likewise, while the post office serving Emory calls itself Atlanta, Emory is located in unincorporated DeKalb County. It is not in the portion of Atlanta located in DeKalb. —C.Fred (talk) 12:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
C.Fred is correct. Emory's campus is not within the city limits of Atlanta. Majoreditor (talk) 17:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Would the opening sentence read better as "Emory University ... is located in the Druid Hills neighborhood of the City of Atlanta?" Druid Hills in not an "area" but a neighborhood. 10 March 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by RrML (talkcontribs) 02:27, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

As a note, the "Druid Hills" referenced in this article is an unincorporated area that is not in the City of Atlanta at all. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
I am getting my information from other Wikipedia articles and maps - but it would appear to me that a section of Atlanta bleeds into DeKalb County, and besides, Druid Hills appears to be a neighborhood of Atlanta much like Midtown or Buckhead. --haha169 (talk) 06:21, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Emory is not within the city of Atlanta; in contrast, Buckhead and Midtown are within the Atlanta city limits. The fact that a small part of Atlanta is in DeKalb county doesn't matter. It can said that Emory is in located in DeKalb County or that it is located in the Greater Atlanta metropolitan area. It is incorrect to state that Emory is located in the city of Atlanta. Majoreditor (talk) 02:47, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Notable alumni and Eliza Dresang[edit]

4/26/09 Responding to query regarding reference for Eliza T. Dresang in Notable Alumni section. There are now two references for this. One from the Florida State University website where she taught and conducted research for several years, and the other from an ALA article on the award given to Dresang. Thesea references are now included in the wiki article on Dresang that is under construction. --JourneyWomanSLP (talk) 15:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that Dresang is not nearly of the notability level of the notable faculty. She should not be on the shortlist of notable persons mentioned in this article. However, once her article is created, I don't see a problem listing her at List of persons associated with Emory University. —C.Fred (talk) 16:56, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Edits to be made to Athletics section[edit]

I would like to update the Athletics portion of the page in order to:

  1. Expand on intramurals and draw a better distinction between them and club sports (which are also very popular at Emory)
  2. Add more updated information pertaining to recent victories at the varsity level
  3. Dedicate a sub-section to “sports and scholarship,” which would illustrate the intersection between academics and athletics at Emory and show how the University puts emphasis on both – for example, Emory has the second-highest NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship winners since 2000 of any school in the U.S.

I’m open to suggestions on this and would appreciate any feedback that other editors could provide before I make these changes. Akvwiki (talk) 14:23, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Emory History Section?[edit]

Emory University was not chartered until 1915. Almost all of the current 'history' section is occupied with the period before the college's move. The 'history' section should reflect the more recent period of the universities existence after its founding in Druid Hills(with a brief introduction to the college's earlier history). The more expansive discussions now under this topic should transferred to a section specifically concerned with the history of Emory College.

New Emory-related article[edit]

In some other editing, I came across this org and went ahead and made a stub for them. I'm not sure where to link it from the main Emory article, though: Lillian Carter Center for International Nursing. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 19:54, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


Most other college mascots have articles; perhaps Dooley (mascot) should as well? —Disavian (talk/contribs) 00:00, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I may get around to writing an article on Dooley sometime in the next year. Majoreditor (talk) 03:00, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Good enough :) —Disavian (talk/contribs) 15:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Scores scandal[edit]

I removed the addition of the score scandal and another editor reverted me. Let's talk. Face-smile.svg

While I completely agree that this is a notable event and is very clearly covered by secondary reliable sources, I feel to make it a fourth of the entire lede would give the event undue weight. I'm open to a compromise that has a shorter description in the first few paragraphs, but the amount currently inserted is too much. --Lord Roem ~ (talk) 22:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

This doesn't belong in the lead as it's not essential to helping a reader understand the university. ElKevbo (talk) 22:48, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Agreed. I have removed it from the lead per WP:LEAD and WP:UNDUE and because it seems like a flash in the pan event. However, I've kept information about the scandal in the appropriate section in the body of the article. Majoreditor (talk) 01:25, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Location of Emory university, confirming[edit]

This may sound strange, but is there "consensus" that Emory University is not located in the City of Atlanta? There is a previous talk page link at Talk:Emory_University#Location_of_Emory, but I am starting this just to be safe...

The reason why is that a user believes that a talk page notice about this needs to be supported by a talk page section asking for a clear consensus: User_talk:ElKevbo#Emory_University WhisperToMe (talk) 05:17, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

There was also a discussion at User_talk: WhisperToMe (talk) 05:27, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
There is consensus that Emory University is located outside the Atlanta city limits but within the Atlanta metropolitan area as defined by the Bureau of the Census.This can easily be verified by checking a map such as this one [[2]] which shows that the main campus of Emory University is located outside the city limits.
Perhaps ElKevbo's point is that the US Post Office allows mailing addresses which list a nearby city rather than the actual corporate entity of a particular address. Many people living outside the City of Atlanta list "Atlanta" for mailing purposes on their USPS letters and parcels. That, however, does nto mean that their houses are located inside the city limits of Atlanta. The USPS is hardly an arbiter of city boundries.
Small portions of Emory are located inside the city of Atlanta, such as Emory Midtown Hospital. However, the headquarters and main campus of the University are clearly located in unicorporated DeKalb County.Majoreditor (talk) 13:41, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
No, my only point is that I don't think administrators should use their tools to impose content on an article without explicit consensus from other editors. Even if we all agree that this article should say that Emory is in __ then that doesn't mean that we need (a) an edit notice that accosts everyone who makes any edit to this article or (b) a warning that only administrators can edit or remove. We deal with this kind of issue all of the time and it's rare that we need to use such a blunt tool that is limited only to administrators so I don't see why we need to use one here. ElKevbo (talk) 15:41, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
If you wish, I can discuss the general uses of page notices on a noticeboard. Also I think having a "To discuss this issue, see Talk:Emory University" could be a remedy to concerns that non-administrators or other users may not be able to access the issue. From experience this issue is more common in instances where a postal address says one thing and the actual location is another; it means you may many drive by anonymous editors making erroneous changes. I'll get lists of edit summaries to show instances of anonymous editors making driveby edits. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:34, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
2009: I changed instances of Atlanta to DeKalb County ("Atlanta area" would also have been acceptable
2008: C Fred reverts again
2008: Anonymous user reverts C Fred saying in the edit summary "Emory has an exception and is granted an Atlanta address. No one knows/cares about Dekalb."
2008: C fred reverts anonymous user who changed it to Atlanta (Edit summary "Revert to revision 249619956 dated 2008-11-04 10:34:30 by WhisperToMe using popups - not in the Atlanta city limits")
2007: Changed Atlanta to saying it's not in Atlanta
WhisperToMe (talk) 18:34, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
I appreciate you taking the time to gather and share this information! However, five edits over the past six years - and none since 2009 - doesn't seem like anything worth worrying about and certainly not something rising to the level of needing an edit notice. ElKevbo (talk) 19:09, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps we can wait and see if there are any responses in five days. If not, I can nuke the edit notice and try only using commenting marks WhisperToMe (talk) 06:22, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

No Ely Callaway in the Notable Alumni section?[edit]

Did I miss it, or was there no listing for Ely R. Callaway. Jr. in the Notable Alumni? How could you omit Mr. Callaway, if he is, in fact, an Emory alumnus? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allred E. Gnuthat (talkcontribs) 02:48, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

@Allred E. Gnuthat: Look here. It is a list of notable alumni/faculty of Emory University. He is listed under the "Business" section, which is where I linked. CorkythehornetfanTalk 07:52, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Overkill in the lead[edit]

Isn't the third paragraph of the lead a bit over the top? I think such detail belongs in the body of the article. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 04:41, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree, this article has a lead with too much detail. See WP:LEAD for information on what the lead section should and shouldn't contain. The list of Emory-related people is particularly over the top. Please feel free to refactor the lead. Majoreditor (talk) 17:50, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
@Alexanderfernbank:, I see you have reverted the change I made yesterday. From your contribution history, I notice that 95% of your wikipedia edits have been to this article, more than 100 in total. So you obviously care about the contents of this article. But you must admit this lead is overkill. By way of comparison it is only 10 words shorter than the lead sections of Harvard University and University of Oxford.... combined!
I am not going to pretend that my initial effort at reducing it was perfect. I expected it to be changed, but not simply reverted back to the original state. So I invite you (or any other interested reader) to have a go at paring it down to something that people will actually want to read. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 00:00, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
I jumped the gun and did not pay attention to the fact that there was a further reversion following that. So I have struck through my comments above. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 00:11, 29 January 2015 (UTC)