Talk:Emptiness

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What's this nonsense "Nelson W. Aldrich Jr.'s Old Money" paragraph?[edit]

it's a wiki article not a blog to drop anything you like, would you be more objective on this topic please?

"he describes the relationship between emptiness and envy" "One has to be blind to perceive the emptiness, of course, but that's what envy is, a selective blindness."

it's completely off-topic and unnecessary. I suggest removing the whole paragraph.

or replacing it with something like this: "he describes the relationship between Cantor's Diagonal Argument and my refrigerator." "One has to be blind to perceive the stupidity of what I write, of course, but that's what making coffee naked in the snow is about, a selective advertisement of nobodies' opinion, therefor I know that I am right."

what this paragraph is saying is irrational and has no thought in it. Please replace it with something that makes more sense from more significant people. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mindlogger (talkcontribs) 04:14, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi pal, you are not being civil. The Old Money content was added by me in good faith, since it contained a reference to emptiness. :)OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 20:19, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Treatment[edit]

any solutions or treatments for it?

One hand clapping[edit]

This might not be important, but the solution to the "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" riddle is supposed to be a one syllable Japanese word (I don't know what it is) that means emptiness. Maybe that should be mentioned?Nashaii 00:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

You mean "Kuu (空)"? Yeah, that's actually (almost) a synonyme to emptiness, but it already has it's own article (under it's sanskrit name: Shunyata). 81.224.28.222 19:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Sources?[edit]

This article does not cite any sources at all. The sentences are speculative and without evidence. Anyone with references on this subject, please feel free to add to or change this article. 72.1.218.59 04:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

"Engaging in any social interaction." i dont know about you but this makes matters worse is almost all cases; rejection, envy, guilt, ect.. 76.211.122.99 05:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Why is the article aggressive in trying to point out the negative shades of emptiness? Describing the emotion is different from judgmental explanations. Perhaps a more neutral point of view would be more appropriate over here.

I feel empty. And I don't know what to do about it anymore. I feel hollow. Like I'm not a person... like I'm nothing. As if I've never lived or talked or thought anything. All I want is darkness. Darkness and Silence.

Me too.

Darkness and silence? I don't really know about that one, sounds more like a depression to me, but I too am experiencing emotional "emptiness", and "hollow" and "nothing" are perfect descriptions of how it feels... Speaking of which, who vandalized this page? The September version looked good, but now everything is gone! ... I'll see if I can fix it (unless someone else already did). 81.228.148.16 14:28, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

What?[edit]

A reduction of one's hand size by 1 (to a minimum of 3) ?????

Let's spiff this article up a bit...[edit]

Seriously, we badly need to get some order on this article. I'd understand if there isn't especially many sources about emptiness (if seems to be generally overlooked for some reason) but I suppose we could still contribute as well as cut some excessive information. I might as well start then, huh? First point of order; associables.

  • It can be better described as a situation where a certain lack or lacks in one's life overtake the emotional and mental focus in an obsessive, sometimes subconscious manner.
  • Emptiness often involves alienation, be it temporary or acquired, and sometimes self-hatred.
  • If at all there was a family nucleus, their needs were ignored, they were considered second class, they experienced many separations, or there was outright abuse.

I concider the second, as well as the third, example of association are both just expansions of the first example. We could either merge all of the examples into one sentence, make it a multi-layered example argument, simply erase one or more of the examples, or choose some alternative that I haven't thought of... Thoughts, opinions, suggestions? 81.228.148.16 15:00, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about. These are not similar statements! I think they are spot-on descriptive of the larger quantity of cases (have a look around). It could use more professional references though. --Nathanael Bar-Aur L. 22:22, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, the keywords I focused at were "certain lack or lacks in one's life" that are somewhat "repeated", so to speak, in the "involves alienation" (lack of social affinity), "self-hatred" (lack of self-love), "needs were ignored" (lack of attention) as well as the "outright abuse" (may cause some individuals to believe they are not wanted or not loved, I.E. lack of need, lack of love) parts, and could thus be merged into one sentence, possibly including the keyparts from the other sentences as examples... Yeah, whether the changes I want to make, be made or not, we are still in bad need of references. (Pardon eventual gramatic incorrectness, I'm feeling rather mentally de-attached right now.) 81.228.148.16 14:40, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Thought-free wakefulness as emptiness in Buddhism[edit]

Emptiness in Buddhism is also about the thought-free wakefulness that athletes and musicians might experience when they are in the "zone" or "flow". This emptiness is not merely voidness but always contains cognizance.

I like the structure of the sentence, but I don't buy it. Maybe in certain Zen traditions - for which we need a cite. Certainly it conflates the ideas of emptiness of thoughts with emptiness of essence or selflessness. (20040302 (talk) 15:20, 7 February 2010 (UTC))

This is an odd article to have as the main topic for "emptiness"[edit]

Since this article is about figurative emptiness, which is a derivative meaning from the main sense, the state of being empty that objects can be in (whether enclosing a vacuum or air), it seems very weird that if you type in emptiness you get this article. Also have a look at this line in the article itself: >This article is about "emptiness" in a general sense. However, instead it discussus emptiness in psychology in particular. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.213.97.66 (talk) 10:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Buddhism section needs a rewrite[edit]

The current Buddhism text is deviating quite strongly from the Sunyata text it refers to. It tends to concentrate on non-central thoughts. (20040302 (talk) 09:31, 10 October 2011 (UTC))

Wikipeda images policy says you can illustrate abstract concepts[edit]

Hi everyone, the WP:Images policy says you can use pictures to illustrate abstract concepts.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 00:36, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Found the source for Jennifer Nardozzi (former n. 14) by contacting her. I see you removed the site and content, but here's her source material: http://blogs.psychcentral.com/weightless/2010/11/hunger-of-the-soul-in-eating-disorders-insight-from-the-renfrew-center/ Dalancer (talk) 00:56, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Difference between state of emptiness and eastern concept of emptiness[edit]

From the article: "While Christianity and Western sociologists and psychologists view a state of emptiness as a negative, unwanted condition, in some Eastern philosophies such as Buddhist philosophy and Taoism, emptiness (Śūnyatā) is a realized achievement. Outside of Eastern philosophy, some writers have also suggested that people may use a transitory state of emptiness as a means of liberating themselves for personal growth."

This statement is based on pure confusion, or the statement itself is confusing.

The single word, emptiness, means two radically different things in Western sociology and psychology, and Eastern philosophy. Whereas Western "emptiness" is a state of mind with characteristic overall negative aspects such as feeling of lack, Eastern concept that is translated as "emptiness" is an altered state of consciousness (though it is disputable whether it's state of consciousness of the consciousness itself) that is accompanied with a perception of infinite void and feel of unlimited freedom. They have nothing on common apart from being referred to with the same word.

131.207.242.128 (talk) 12:48, 1 April 2014 (UTC)