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Mumbai Encounter Squad[edit]

I redirected this article to here because I couldn't find any sources that mentioned the "Mumbai Encounter Squad," but maybe there's some content there that someone would like to integrate into this article. Prezbo (talk) 17:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually I'm going to prod this. The article text is here if anyone wants it.Prezbo (talk) 17:37, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Also Police encounter is about exactly the same topic, I don't know if there's anything worth keeping there but if so it should be merged into this article (or maybe the other way around, I don't know).Prezbo (talk) 18:10, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

POV Check?[edit]

Just happened upon this article randomly, and although I know nothing about the subject, the article could probably use a POV review. It seems to suggest that "beyond a doubt" the people killed are criminals (all incidents? the singular is used, implying a particular incident.) It also contradicts itself in a paragraph or two about whether these people were in police custody or not. Better citation in the "Police Encounter" section of the article might clear up some of this. Wevets (talk) 16:53, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Move?[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved to Encounter killings by police to get it settled. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:43, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Encounter killingsPolice encounter — Relisted. Please indicate clearly your preferences for the title: Encounter killings, Police encounter, Police encounter killings, or Encounter killings by police. Ucucha 18:55, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

  • I had merged two articles, but the latter title is better option. This requires history merge. Angers roams (talk) 10:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
  • That is, the past part of Encounter killings's history is to be moved to Police encounter, if the move as requested is agreed on. But, which name to choose for the article? Try Encounter killings by police to be clear? The other 2 titles are too indefinite. There are many encounter killings not involving police. I have encountered police many times. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:16, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Don't call it "encounter killings by police." I don't know which title would be better but the fact that they're "indefinite" isn't a problem. They're euphemisms--of course they're indefinite. The title should just reflect what people in the real world call the article subject, it doesn't need to explain what it is.Prezbo (talk) 08:10, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Encounter killings by police or even Police encounter killings should be ok for me. For a worldwide view police is required. There are fake encounters where police kill the criminal in cold blood for he may get out on bail. "Encounter" being too general term, I think the current title is not good enough. Once the title is decided i will cleanup the article. Angers roams (talk) 04:04, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Again, please don't move it to one those titles. Wikipedia should call things by the names people use in the real world. You would need to mention in the article that people call these killings "encounter killings" or "police encounters" in any case, there's no reason not to just make one of those the title.Prezbo (talk) 04:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Using a common euphemism as the standard name causes ambiguity with the euphemism's literal meaning. The words "police" and "killing" and "encounter" should all occur in the page title. I prefer "encounter killings by police", because "police encounter killings" may mean "police being killed in encounters". Encounter killings and Police encounter could both redirect to the chosen title (or be disambig pages if other uses of each expression are found). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:28, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Any ambiguity will be resolved when people read the first sentence. The point of an article title is to tell readers the name of the topic--the name it's most commonly referred to in the real world--not to explain what the topic is.Prezbo (talk) 20:19, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
  • "Encounter killings" are ambiguous for people who dont know the topic. Let me compare google hits "encounter killings"(52k + 44k for killing), "police encounter"(38k) "police encounter killings"(37k +10k for killing), "encounter killings by police"(16k). We can keep it as it is, though the title will remain ambigous. I am unable to reach conclusion as all are very close. Angers roams (talk) 11:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
    • I would vote for Police encounter killings, which doesn't seem to imply "police being killed in encounters", also this title has enough google hits to justify move. Angers roams (talk) 05:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
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ExtraJudicial Killing[edit]

The Article begin with "An encounter is a euphemism used in South Asia, especially in India, to describe "extrajudicial killings" in which police or armed forces shoot down suspected gangsters and terrorists in gun battles".The word extrajudicial implies that all police encounters are illegal which is not the case. I think "police shootout" is more apt than extrajudicial killings.Admis please take a note.Prav001 (talk)

source[edit]

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  1. ^ (Organization), Human Rights Watch; Shah, Naureen (2009). Broken system: dysfunction, abuse, and impunity in the Indian police. Human Rights Watch. pp. 92–. ISBN 9781564325181. Retrieved 18 June 2010.