Talk:Energia

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The Web (per Google search) seems to prefer the spelling "Energia". Can anybody give a definitive answer on this?

The definitive answer to this is - leave it as it is cause it all depends on pronunciation and transcription rules you use.

In russian g is pronounced as g in game in english. The last vowel is like in yup.

The rest is by default.

There are a lot of ways to transliterate Russian. Energiya or Engergiia are more common than just "Energia". DonPMitchell 09:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Speculations

The comment that the Energiia project contributed to the USSR's economic collapse is pretty random. Like many articles about Soviet technology, there tend to be a lot of random disparaging comments, which are not good objective reporting. DonPMitchell 09:48, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I removed it since there was nothing to support the statement, so why was it put back?

Grounded US Shuttles

The part where it says thaf there has been speculation, should this be remnoved since the shuttles are no longer grounded. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smith230 (talk • contribs) .

I don't think it should be removed, but it definitely needs to be reworked, which I did. What do you think? SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

More speculation

I have removed the following interesting but totally speculative text:

It is assumable that if the eight Zenit heavy lift booster Energia had flown, it would have worked perfectly. When considering “what ifs” of that nature, it would have also been interesting to see how good the Saturn V would have become over time with additions such as uprated F1A and J2S engines. Indeed, the Energia perhaps never would have happened at all had not the USA abandoned the Saturn to pursue the STS system, given the reactionary behavior of the Soviet regime in response which led to the Energia/Buran in the first place.

One thing is quite beyond speculation however; the Energia and Saturn V vehicles…

We can't include such material unless we have a reliable source from an outside author for it. We Wikipedians can't include original research, no matter how well-thought-out. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 18:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

AFAIK, Buran was actual "responce" for US Space Shuttle program, while launcher(s) were under development a bit before that. --jno 13:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

correct, the Buran is a response to STS. however the extracted text contains far too much unneccessary assumation, like the 8 zenit configuration which imo could just be a study similiar to the Saturn V+SRB configuration as alternative design. the workability of such configurations are largely unconclusive. Akinkhoo (talk) 05:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

ELV?

Are you sure that Energia was expendable? I believe that it was re-usable. --GW_Simulations_{|User Page | Talk | Contribs | Chess | E-mail} 20:26, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Energia is a russian aerospace company that only produces ELV's. Energia should not be in the ELV category but the launch vehicles they manufacture should be listed. This page talks about energia and a semi-summary of their products.--aceslead 22:29, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

This is the article for the Energia rocket, the company is at S.P. Korolev Rocket and Space Corporation Energia. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 22:32, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

the part of energia that DID work with the Suttle Buran was partially reusable. Only the orbiter was reused.--aceslead 22:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I read that the boosters and main stage were recovered for re-use (but the program was cancelled before they were reused). --GW_Simulations_{|User Page | Talk | Contribs | Chess | E-mail} 22:55, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

There was a project for Energia II which would be reusable with any booster and the core stage able to land on an airdrome like a plane.--Nixer 20:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

some of the booster parts are reusable, but there is not effective means to recover them. unlike KSC, the soviet site has no access to large bodies of water. the 'plane' version of energia could over come it but it was never developed. Akinkhoo (talk) 05:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Energia performed successfully two times

I'm trying to straighten a myth that Energia launcher malfunctioned on the first flight. In fact, Energia is a two-stage launcher, and in both flights after second stage completed its work the payload was successfully released on a suborbital trajectory - or, as it's formally said in Russian space industry, on an orbit with low perigee, below atmosphere or even below Earth surface. In case of Energia it's the job of payload to add necessary delta-V to raise perigee and to get to a stable orbit.

In both flights Energia did what it was constructed to do, so it would be wrong to say about first flight as unsuccessful for launcher.Avmich (talk) 14:42, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

This has been discussed in great detail above. In the space business, a flight which results in a payload which does not reach orbit and burns up in the atmosphere is a failure. Although the suborbital segment of the Energia launch did work, the payload failed to reach orbit: this is a launch failure.

There have been many launches of vehicles other than Energia in which a payload failed to reach orbit due to failure of a component other than the main boost stage; but regardless of which component failed, it is still categorized as a failure when the payload does not get into orbit. We do not make a special rule just for Energia.Geoffrey.landis (talk) 18:30, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

It is still violates the Wikipedia approach to information.

Besides, I'm not discussing other articles - may be the have errors, I haven't checked. The fact which I'm trying to present is that Energia performed flawlessly, which is, as designers planned, in both flights. This should not be reflected in the record for launcher as 1/2. To require from a rocket, which was intended to leave payload on a suborbital trajectory, to be responsible for payload making a full orbit seems wrong to me.95.25.48.217 (talk) 12:34, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Polyus vs Energia as components

What's the controversy about being specific that the Polyus orbital insertion stage failing? If there is a reason to hide this and state that the Energia failed, please explain it here. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 00:49, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

• Without payload propulsion, Energia would have been unable to reach orbit, and hence Polyus needs to be considered part of the launch system, in much the same way that when the US launched Agena-based payloads on Thor and Atlas rockets, the payload was considered part of the launch system since it performed insertion. --GW… 12:01, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
• In a similar manner, most modern GSO satellites should be considered a part of the launch system, since they routinely make the final push, from GTO to GSO, themselves. They are not, however, so we see arbitrary decisions here.Avmich (talk) 12:57, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

• However in all of those cases, the capacity of the rocket is given in terms of payload to GTO not GSO. --GW… 13:06, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

So? The rocket is still considered to be launching a geostationary satellite.Avmich (talk) 13:25, 12 April 2011 (UTC)