Talk:Enoch Powell

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This article is much too long[edit]

This article must be cut down and be given a broader tone. The problem isn't necessarily that Enoch Powell isn't an important enough figure to "merit" a long article, its that no attempt has been made to condense his life and opinions. The section on his period as a Unionist MP is the most egregious. It's nearly 6000 words long and does nothing but list his speeches and writings; On this day he said this, on that day he wrote that in this paper, and when this happened he had this opinion of it. There's practically nothing about his activities in gov't or relations with other politicians, and whatever there is is swamped by the rest. If another politician like Thatcher were given the same treatment the article would be longer than her own autobiography. We need someone with expertise in this subject to take an editorial attitude and summarize and highlight the major points about his life and career.theBOBbobato (talk) 16:41, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

The place for a summary is in the introduction, and the problem with chopping material out of articles is that you never know what somebody else is going to find interesting or useful - there's nothing more irritating than going back to an article and finding something you added has been deleted by someone who "doesn't see why that's important", or has been chopped out by some "editor" who has ended up snipping beyond his knowledge and competence.
The comparison with Thatcher is not an exact one because she was in government for most of her career so a lot of her actions are tied up with the history of, say, economic policy or the poll tax. Powell had a much more varied career, starting with his early academic and military careers which are interesting in their own right. Very little of his career was actually spent in government, and his period of major influence was when he held great sway over public opinion from 1968 to the mid-1970s. He continued to be an important figure in the late 1970s because the Callaghan government was dependent on the Ulster MPs for its majority. He was basically a loner so his "relations with other politicians" are generally less important than his speeches and writings.
I don't entirely disagree that there's far too much direct quotation of his views on current events from about 1983 onwards when he had become a peripheral and somewhat batty figure, no longer having much real influence on events but often churning out clever-sounding quotes or newspaper article. His views were by then often quite silly once you penetrated beneath the intellectual veneer, like when he claimed that John Major was preempting the Royal Prerogative by putting himself up for reelection as Tory Leader in 1995. Some of these lengthy quotes could probably be summarised without much loss of substance.Paulturtle (talk) 12:08, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

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Enoch Powell

Enoch Powell (1912–98), a professor of Ancient Greek by age 25 and brigadier during World War II, took up politics in the late 1940s and in the 1960s was selected for several cabinet positions. In 1968, he gave the "Rivers of Blood" speech about the dangers of immigration to the United Kingdom and of proposed anti-discrimination legislation.

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Pronunciation of his name[edit]

Is the pronunciation /pl/ (with Powell pronounced like "pole") correct? Most people seem to pronounce it to rhyme with "cowl". Anyone have a source? garik (talk) 15:13, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

No published source but "cowl" is correct. That's how he was called by commentators whilst alive (actually you can find the 1995 Michael Cockerell documentary on YouTube) and I chaired a meeting which he addressed in 1991. You may be confusing him with the novelist Anthony Powell (pronounced "pole"). MissingMia (talk) 19:46, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
I've heard it pronounced like 'pool' (to rhyme with fool, stool etc.). But I do move in exceptionally posh circles. --OhNoPeedyPeebles (talk) 11:02, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

If so, it obviously didn't catch on. Best to pronounce the name the way everyone else does.MissingMia (talk) 08:42, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

InfoBox matter - campaign medals[edit]

I do not know how to put medal ribbon symbols onto Wikipedia, but editors who can, note that he would not have been awarded the Burma Star without also being awarded the 1939-45 Star.Cloptonson (talk) 19:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Indian independence[edit]

I suppose that Ms Luce was not referring to the independence of the Native American Indians when making this absurd statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pamour (talkcontribs) 21:28, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Indeed. An aspect of American hypocrisy forgotten now that we are good anti-imperialists, but much made by British commentators at the time. That said, we were just as self-righteous in our dealings with French and German colonies as the Americans were with us.MissingMia (talk) 23:34, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
And yet Powell was in no hurry to get his British backside out of Ireland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.217.210.174 (talk) 08:47, 18 May 2014 (UTC)