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MTA Edits[edit]

My Plan For our environment and society wikipedia page project, I plan to edit and make multiple additions to the "environmental migrants" wikipedia page. In doing so, I will focus on presenting more information regarding the true definition of "environmental migrants." In doing so, it is my intention to provide the reader with a working definition of "environmental migrants." I plan to present some further predictions made about "environmental migrants." Additionally, I plan to provide the reader with more resources in conducting further research. Furthermore, I hope to tighten up the article and make it an easier and more informative read for the learner. Lastly, I will conduct more research on popular culture surrounding "environmental migrants" in hopes of finding more modern forms.

The following are multiple sources I choose to reference in conducting my wikipedia page edit (these could be subject to change):

http://www.jstor.org/stable/40212341?seq=2&Search=yes&searchText=refugees&searchText=environmental&list=hide&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Denvironmental%2Brefugees%26gw%3Djtx%26acc%3Don%26prq%3Denvironmental%2Bmigrants%26Search%3DSearch%26hp%3D25%26wc%3Don&prevSearch=&item=1&ttl=8629&returnArticleService=showFullText&resultsServiceName=null http://www.jstor.org/stable/27503806?seq=5&Search=yes&searchText=migrants&searchText=environmental&list=hide&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Denvironmental%2Bmigrants%26acc%3Don%26wc%3Don&prevSearch=&item=3&ttl=16169&returnArticleService=showFullText&resultsServiceName=null http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/357/1420/609.short

Alliepa (talk 23:24, 12 March 2012 (UTC) (Alliepa (talk) 17:26, 5 April 2012 (Alliepa (talk) 17:28, 5 April 2012 (UTC)Allie)

Edits Implemented In concluding our environmental and society wikipedia project it is my objective to briefly describe my implemented edits on the "environmental migrant" page. In beginning my edits, felt the history of the concept of “environmental migrants” was not extensive enough. I added a working definition provided by the “International Organization for Migration.” I offered more predictions and attempts to enumerate “environmental migrants/refugees” section. Especially, in regards to Myer’s work, I preformed an extensive amount of research on Myer and his findings regarding Environmental Migrants and added these findings to the page. I also provided multiple new sources that provide further predictions about environmental migrants. Additionally, I provided further information to the “Environmental Migration in Asia & the Pacific and Areas of Risk” section. In adding more information to this section it made it much more coherent and informative for the reader. Furthermore, I made multiple additions to the popular culture section. In referencing the short documentary film “Sun Come Up.” Also, I preformed further edits especially in regards to grammatical errors and also ridded of information that I felt was unnecessary for the reader, as, I feel it is essential that a Wikipedia page be clear, concise, informative and accessible to the general public. Lastly, I added a multitude of new credible references for the reader to perform further research.

 Alliepa (talk 02:17, 05 April 2012 (UTC) (Alliepa (talk) 17:26, 5 April 2012 (Alliepa (talk) 17:28, 5 April 2012 (UTC)Allie)

Reviewed by a Mount A Student[edit]

To User:alliepa, You did good amount of work by providing new information from some reliable sources. You also corrected grammatical errors and organized the structure well by a lot of self-'Bold textreviewing. Very good work! Rk914 (talk) 05:59, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

You succeeded in improving the content of the article with valid information from important sources! You also improved the structure of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmawilson15 (talk • contribs) 02:51, 3 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alliepa (talkcontribs)

Severe problems with recently added paragraph[edit]

I agree that this article needs cleanup. However a paragraph added today by 59.154.17.6 seems to make things worse, not better.

The paragraph reads:

Evidence of increased extreme weather events has however been disputed by actual data, showing that the planet is in fact experiencing the lowest level of hurricane activity in 30 years [1]. In addition, an NOAA study has confirmed that any increase measured in activity may actually be due to increased detection ability, showing no increase in damaging hurricane or tornado activity, but detecting more lower level storm activity [2][3].

The references are:

Note that the reference to "actual data" is linked to a blog. Reference 3 is also a blog. Blogs are not, by-and-large, reliable sources.

But the main problem here is that the change in climate is misrepresented as a prediction of serious tropical storms such as hurricanes. That is a gross oversimplification.

There is also a problem with interpretation of sources. Note that reference 2 says:

The team also noted that the finding of no increasing trend in hurricane and tropical storm counts in the Atlantic is consistent with several recent global warming simulations from high-resolution global climate model and regional downscaling models.
"This new study is one piece of the puzzle of how climate may influence hurricanes. Although Atlantic storm counts overall have not changed, this study does not address how the strength and number of the strongest hurricanes have changed or may change due to global warming," noted Knutson.

So according to the sole reliable source the new findings are consistent with current predictions of climate change. The only source cited is being misinterpreted so as to say the exact opposite about climate change of the paragraph it is supposed to support. --TS 15:33, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Legal status of the term[edit]

This article seems to be largely an ad hoc attempt to define the term "climate refugee." The UN's Inter-Agency Standing Committee says about this term:

In international or regional refugee law a refugee is a person, who meets the criteria under the applicable refugee definition provided for in international or regional refugee instruments, UNHCR’s mandate, and/or in national legislation.
Environmental factors that cause movements across international borders are not grounds, in and of themselves, for the grant of refugee status under the 1951 Refugee Convention. The terms “environmental refugee” and “climate refugee” therefore have no legal basis in international refugee law, and it is recommended that they not be used in official or unofficial documentation. Their use could potentially undermine the international legal regime for the protection of refugees, misdescribe what are projected to be essentially internal movements, and create confusion regarding the link between climate change, environmental degradation and migration. (emphasis mine -TS)

Source: Climate Change, Migration and Displacement: Who will be affected Working paper submitted by the informal group on Migration/ Displacement and Climate Change of the IASC - 31 October 2008 [1]

I think it's important to recognise this. Not that people won't be displaced by climate change, but that the term "climate refugee" is not that well defined. --TS 16:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Categories[edit]

My mistake in removing Category:Climate change, as I'm proposing the "named" category be deleted. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:38, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Article bias[edit]

This article, in some spots, reads more like a subjective critique of literature than like an objective, encyclopedia-style entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.253.159 (talk) 15:18, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Who Moved My Cheese? relevant?[edit]

Who Moved My Cheese? relevant? 99.35.15.199 (talk) 04:13, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

resource Nature (journal) Climate change: Migration as adaptation[edit]

Climate change: Migration as adaptation Mobility can bring opportunities for coping with environmental change, say Richard Black, Stephen R. G. Bennett, Sandy M. Thomas and John R. Beddington. Nature (journal) 478, 447–449 (20 October 2011) doi:10.1038/478477a

99.35.15.107 (talk) 04:46, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Machine-generated un-decipherable cryptex found in the article, of probable US neocon origin.[edit]

>Conceptual problems and criticism Much of the literature produced on 'environmental migration' assumes the nexus to be self-evident. The category is both emotive and commonsensical, and therefore has widespread currency in the media and among policy makers, non-social scientists and neo-Malthusianist social scientists. However, there is no evidence that the concept can be used to achieve generalisable truths. In brief, this is because the degree to which any given environmental factor is meaningful at the societal level - let alone to any specific aspect of human activity, such as migration - is entirely conditional on socio-economic and political contingencies. In other words, it is impossible to isolate a single environmental factor as an independent variable from which to deduce its impact on a particular (or general) form of social outcome in any way that will be generalisably useful; the relationship will be different depending on circumstance. <

This whole paragraph in the current article is pure excrement. If one's island sticks out only one meter / yard from the ocean and has been for millennia, with natives living merrily under the palm trees and then excessive USA automobilism makes sea rise 1.5 meters via global warming, then the natives must leave, else their babies would all drown. They must find a new higher place to settle and no legalistic-sounding mumbo-jumbo can whitewash that fact. Why, oh why WP needs to be a watchtower and loudhorn-equipped minaret of the US political far right of the shaliest oil? The article should change out of shame! 82.131.210.163 (talk) 10:59, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

The same person has inserted undeniable bias into the article. Here's the sentence: "A documentary entitled Climate Refugees has been released, which engages uncritically with the neo-malthusian understandings of the climate change-migration nexus." This is the point at which this person's contributions can safely be deleted on POV grounds alone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.147.210.162 (talk) 20:56, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Referencing the recent Foresight report[edit]

Full disclosure: I work for Foresight

Hi,

I'd like to alert the editors/maintainers to the recent report published by UK Government's Foresight Programme titled Migration and Global Environmental Change. This report is relevant to the discussion and was well received in the media and the wider science community. It is a fair and balanced assessment of the state of climate change and global migration.

Thanks Dan

Happydan.uk (talk) 12:20, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

MTA Peer Review[edit]

You succeeded in improving the content of the article with valid information from important sources! You also improved the structure of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmawilson15 (talkcontribs) 02:51, 3 April 2012 (UTC)