Talk:Episode 14 (Twin Peaks)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Crisco 1492 (talk · contribs) 14:43, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

• I'll take this... the link is being goofy for some reason though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:43, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Checklist

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
	1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
	2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
	3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Within definition
	6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	See note
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Fine
	7. Overall assessment.	Pending

Comments

1

• You've got series co-creator followed by co-series creator. Which one is correct?
  •  Done. TBrandley 15:58, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
• "visits the residence of Harold Smith to find Smith has committed suicide." - What do you think of "visits the residence of Harold Smith to find he has committed suicide."
  •  Done. TBrandley 16:02, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
• "a casino and brother he owns"... just pointing it out.

  Fixed. GRAPPLE X 17:06, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

• It's called "Episode 7" but links to ep8?
  • It is suppose to be like that, as it would still link to Episode 7. It does that because "Episode 1" is counted as ep0. TBrandley 16:55, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
    • "Pilot" is followed by "Episode 1", throwing the name and numbers off; "ep8" is the table anchor for Episode 7 as it's the eighth entry. Trust me, if that was the weirdest thing about Twin Peaks it'd probably still be running. GRAPPLE X 17:06, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
• "character was left somewhat redeemed." - In this episode? How?

  I've edited that a little to reflect that it's his words; though I assume he means to say that Leland wasn't really the killer, BOB was. GRAPPLE X 17:06, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

• Quote from Phipps could be shorter

  Trimmed those down quite a bit. GRAPPLE X 17:15, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

3

• Fix the CN tags (mostly direct quotes)

  Some of these direct quotes in the plot summary are from the episode itself; I've paraphrased some but left one or two shorter ones alone as there's no point citing the article's subject in an article about itself. GRAPPLE X 17:06, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

6

• File:David lynch grayscale.jpg needs the actual uploader's information. However, the source image (File:David lynch.jpg) looks like a possible copyvio. No EXIF data, web resolution... Have been unable to find a source though.

  Replaced it with File:David Lynch at the 1990 Emmy Awards.jpg, it's much more contemporary and seems to have no issues with copyright. GRAPPLE X 17:06, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Source spotcheck

Based on this revision

• FN2:

A: Checks out, no close paraphrasing

B: Checks out, no close paraphrasing

Question: What's the relevance of Pete Martell and Mr. Tojamura? This is nowhere in our plot summary.

• FN7:

A: Checks out, obviously no close paraphrasing

B: Checks out, obviously no close paraphrasing

• FN8

A: Checks out, no close paraphrasing

B: Checks out, no close paraphrasing

• FN16

A: Checks out, no close paraphrasing

• FN22

A: Checks out, no close paraphrasing

B: Checks out, no close paraphrasing

• FN23

A: Checks out, no close paraphrasing

B: Checks out, no close paraphrasing

Further discussion

• Source spotcheck tomorrow. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:08, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

  If you need any of the Highbeam sources, email me; I'm afraid I can't do anything about the USA Today ones though as I already needed an another editor to look them up for me, but I'm sure I could get them passed on if you need them. GRAPPLE X 17:16, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

  *Shakes head* Grapple, Grapple, Grapple... I have Highbeam privileges too. That's how I could check Mondo Cane. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:22, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

  "Grapple, Grapple, Grapple" is my favourite bedroom technique. GRAPPLE X 23:24, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

  That could hurt. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:39, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

  Quite a bit. GRAPPLE X 23:41, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

  Ten times as much, indeed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:54, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

  Tell me about it. Just ask my brother Malcolm. GRAPPLE X 00:00, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

  On a serious note, everything seems fine but I'd still like to check the AV club references. Could you send them to me? For some reason I can't open them. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:06, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

  The A.V. Club ones? Ray Wise interview and episode review. GRAPPLE X 00:10, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

  (edit conflict) (talk page stalker) That's weird. The links works fine on my browser (Firefox). Huh. TBrandley 00:12, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

  I'm getting "The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.". Have been since I first tried opening the links. I have a question for you up there too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:16, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

  Fair do (loading for me though). I'll copy-paste them in an email for you. As for the question, as wonderful as Jack Nance is, the Mr Tojamura plot arc is one of those minor soap-opera threads they introduced that doesn't amount to much, but just padded for time between this ep and the freakout ending. GRAPPLE X 00:24, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Indonesian internet, what can I say? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:28, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Alright, passing. Looks good. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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Major series spoilers in header photo and caption

It seems borderline irresponsible that the header photo for this article so blatantly spoils the plot of Twin Peaks. Anyone who happens across this article without having seen the whole series up to that point would inadvertently be shown the answer to the central question driving every single episode that precedes it.

I understand why it was chosen, as it is such an iconic shot, but think it should be changed for the sake of curious readers who may not have experienced the episode for themselves. PretentiousIlliterate (talk) 03:42, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

The featured snippet for this article also spoils the show. Is there a way to change this so that casual Wikipedia readers aren't spoiled? L0calh0$t (talk) 02:12, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

The guideline is Wikipedia:Spoiler (CC) Tbhotch^™ 02:23, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I can accept the photo in the article's infobox per WP:SPOILER, but I find myself siding with L0calh0$t in regards to the featured article blurb on the Main Page. I don't know if WP:SPOILER has ever been brought up in regards to information about fiction on the Main Page, but the guideline only seems to talk about information in mainspace articles, not the Main Page. I think the blurb can be tweaked to remove some of the more plot-sensitive information without sacrificing quality. Here's my suggestion:

Current blurb:

"Episode 14" is the seventh episode of the second season of the American mystery television series Twin Peaks. Featuring Kyle MacLachlan, Michael Ontkean, Ray Wise (pictured) and Richard Beymer, it centers on an investigation into the murder of Laura Palmer (Sheryl Lee) in a rural town in Washington state. In this episode, FBI special agent Dale Cooper (MacLachlan) and Sheriff Truman (Ontkean) continue to search for Laura's killer. Cooper and Truman arrest Benjamin Horne (Beymer), believing him to be possessed by a demon, but later that night the demon's real host, Leland Palmer (Wise), murders Madeline Ferguson (Lee). "Episode 14" was first broadcast on November 10, 1990, by the American Broadcasting Company (ABC) and was watched by an audience of 17.2 million households. The episode was well-received. Academic readings of the entry have highlighted the theme of duality and the cinematography in the revelation scene.

My proposed blurb:

"Episode 14" is the seventh episode of the second season of the American mystery television series Twin Peaks. Featuring Kyle MacLachlan, Michael Ontkean, Ray Wise (pictured) and Richard Beymer, it centers on an investigation into the murder of Laura Palmer (Sheryl Lee) in a rural town in Washington state. In this episode, FBI special agent Dale Cooper (MacLachlan) and Sheriff Truman (Ontkean) continue to search for Laura's killer. Cooper and Truman arrest Benjamin Horne (Beymer), believing him to be possessed by a demon, but later that night another murder is committed. "Episode 14" was first broadcast on November 10, 1990, by the American Broadcasting Company (ABC) and was watched by an audience of 17.2 million households. The episode was well-received. Academic readings of the entry have highlighted the theme of duality, as well as the cinematography in the scene in which the identity of Laura's killer is revealed.

—Matthew - (talk) 02:49, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Probably this could be posted at WP:ERRORS just in case. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 02:54, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Tbhotch: Done! —Matthew - (talk) 04:04, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

The whole thing should be chucked out. Your revision is better, but if I hadn't watched this episode before, I would be fuming right now after reading it. No mention of the plot should be on it - just write about the production or viewership or something else. No point in ruining the show for people who haven't seen it. Acalycine (talk) 08:06, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Acalycine: You may be interested in this ongoing discussion over on Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors#Today's_FA. —Matthew - (talk) 15:27, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

The Errors discussion got blanked, so the complaints probably won't go anywhere but I'll second them anyway. I know our WP:SPOILER policy and fully support it and have never had issues with it before. Our articles need to be thorough and anyone who looks up a show/book/movie before finishing it gets what they deserve. However, spoiling an entire TV show on the main page for people have not seen it yet but may have otherwise been interested is not a nice move.LM2000 (talk) 20:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)