Talk:Erhard Seminars Training

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Criticisms of EST.[edit]

I noticed a lack of criticism about Erhard Seminars Training in the article, yet I'm sure that I heard such criticism during the 1980s.

As I remember, I heard EST called a brainwashing class that used social pressure as a means of controlling or modifying the behavior of enrollees. I also remember hearing EST criticized as misrepresenting its effect on the lives of enrollees. Rather than making any problems go away, be resolved, or be better managed, EST just taught people how to give up on trying to deal with them and put them out of mind, so to reach greater happiness through self-inflicted ignorance.

These memories are dated, 30 years old, and might not be completely accurate. But there was certainly some sort of important defect to EST that some people believed to have recognized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.13.218.94 (talk) 16:44, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

The article changed significantly since Dec. 2007, I've removed the NPOV template, please use {{POV-section}} or better yet {{POV-statement}} for statements and detail issues here. This will help address them quickly, and sourced criticism should indeed be added. - RoyBoy 21:49, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

The 'background' section of the wiki article "est and The Forum in popular culture"[1] references several sourced criticisms of est that would be highly appropriate to include here. In fact, maybe that entire article should be merged into this one? It seems odd to have an article about references to est in pop culture that's longer and more detailed than the main est article itself.

It is not typical in a Wiki page to offer critique of the page's topic. However, clearly covering the impact of the est (from the latin for 'it is." California law did not allow for a latin word in trademarking so the longer title Erhard Seminars Training was added) training is fair and important. There certainly were a wide variety of reactions to the training and the organization, often a good reaction to the personal results but a dislike of the organizations practices.Speaking up (talk) 22:25, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

References[edit]

  1. ^ "est and The Forum in popular culture (Wikipedia)". Wikipedia. Retrieved 1 June 2012. 

Merging Erhard Seminars Training (est) into the Landmark Education topic is a terrible idea[edit]

To merge with est what appears to be no more than just another seminar company would be to have the tail wag the dog. Although restricted mainly to large metropolitan areas, est was nevertheless a national phenomenon in the 1970s. It helped define for both the better and the worse the zeitgeist of that decade in particular. I have never heard of Landmark Education. Naturally Landmark Education bears resemblances to est. Christianity bears resemblances to Judaism, but that's not a reason to merge Christianity with Judaism. Erhard Seminars Training (est) should continue to stand alone as a topic.QuintBy (talk) 15:53, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Cultural Reference[edit]

In the first season of the TV series "Mork and Mindy" (ca. 1978), the episode "Mork Gets ERK" is clearly a parody of the (est) training. (A young David Letterman plays the trainer.) Perhaps someone should add a "Cultural References" section with this item in it. I'll leave it to the WP editors' community to decide if and how it should appear. 108.16.83.212 (talk) 22:23, 10 May 2013 (UTC)