Talk:Ersan İlyasova

Edit request from Akifostylo, 14 September 2010

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Birthplace correction! He's born in Özbekistan, Buhara and not in turkey. Akifostylo (talk) 21:53, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 21:56, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

He was officially born in Ozbekistan thats correct, but his passport says Turkey. Ersan began his basketball career in Turkey thus he is schooled in Turkey. Redman19 (talk) 13:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

That is not quite correct, officially he was born in Turkey to Turkish parents that just somehow forgot to register him until he was 15 years old (or send him to school or have any other personal history), but unofficially it's considered proven that he is indeed from Uzbekistan, arrived to Turkey when he was 18 in 2002 and assumed a Turkish identity to receive Turkish passport immediately as well as to represent Turkey in juniors despite in reality being 3 years older and thus overaged. This should probably be mentioned in the article as the claims are quite credible and the official story rather weak. Radio Free Europe version: http://www.rferl.org/content/ilyasova-ilyasov-a-basketball-player-from-turkey-uzbekistan/24644497.html -37.31.51.226 (talk) 01:39, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

2011-2012 season

With the injury of Andrew Bogut, Ersan has gotten more playing time. The game Bogut got hurt, Ersan, recorded 19 rebounds a career high. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.54.176.52 (talk) 17:04, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

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Request for comment

The article of a basketball player has a section describing an incident where Uzbekistan made an arbitration bid that the subject is an Uzbekistani national. The court instead ruled in Turkey's favor. The details are all well except the last line.

Other biographies, while not claiming an Uzbek birth, still maintain a 1984 birth year.

This is a singular cited article (same cite repeated twice) but the language used is in the plural. The cited article has also been pulled (dead link) but the language used ("other biographies...still maintain") is in the present-tense. Bios are supposed to be up-to-date, we shouldn't rely on a pulled link from the past on a controversial statement (which may or may not be accurate) to make a present-tense statement.

Nonetheless, even if we have additional cites we add in, it is still a dueweight issue because the lines before it already describe the dispute/incident in a concise and neutral manner. Why is the article repeating on a point as if to hammer it in? This is UNDUEWEIGHT.

Additionally, I have noticed another issue. The paragraph at first describes "The controversy is fueled by the claim that a man named Arsen Illyasov..." then in the next line states that Uzbekistan made this argument to the court. The fact that this argument presented by Uzbekistan is where the controversy stems from, it should be disclosed first and then the claim should be detailed. Not the other way around. I believe this also violates WP:DUE, which states:

Undue weight can be given in several ways, including but not limited to depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, juxtaposition of statements and imagery.

This was my initial edit: [1] It was reverted and we have a dispute between us. DA1 (talk) 22:11, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

I have contacted the other user on his Talk. I haven't received a response but he did continue editing the paragraph nonetheless so I'm sure he has seen my post. DA1 (talk) 22:11, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

I agree that a single, simple mention is sufficient.Happy monsoon day 23:52, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

I agree that the language “other biographies” is wrong. And there isn’t a lot of value in mentioning the date multiple times other than to reinforce something that may not be true. I’d actually suggest doing a bit of a rewrite. “some media outlets, such as ESPN's Chad Ford, openly referred to Ilyasova as "The 17-year-old forward from Uzbekistan” Not really, Chad Ford said it.TastyPoutine ^{talk (if you dare)} 21:38, 10 January 2019 (UTC)