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Untitled[edit]

I've fleshed this article out quite a bit, but almost everything added deals exclusively with the Battle of Tumu Bao... ~~I'm not sure if that's sufficiently biographical.~~ Note that I've taken care not to duplicate details relating to that battle between this article and either Tumu_Crisis or Oyirad.

Heh, almost immediately after 'finishing' with this, I found a new source and wound up coming back and adding a lot. The stub notation is now gone. --The Jack 06:06, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I am aware that citing an ISBN is preferable to providing a link directly to a specific site selling a book; since Paragon seems to be the only place selling copies of this semi-obscure academic journal from thirty years ago, I decided it would be better to provide the link than not, especially since the page contains the most information about that issue.

There's also a note hidden in the references section of the article text about the lack of documentation available for one of the sources I used, a defunct Wiki article version on a dead site.

And now, back to the Oyirad with me... --The Jack 13:22, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No line of succession[edit]

There is no line of succession linking him with Oriate Horde or the Northern Yuan Dynasty, thus it makes it difficult for people looking up ruler successions before and after him quite difficult.Jinnai (talk) 02:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image[edit]

Why is the image relevant? I mean, why not say ":-|" is a modern illustration? Maybe it is even less incorrect! Yaan (talk) 19:42, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Taishi[edit]

It seems that "taishi" is a kind of title. If so, then this should be explained somewhere. The article Four Oirats, linked in the "Taish of the Oirats" succession box, doesn't explain it either, but might be a good place to do so. --Latebird (talk) 19:25, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Copy from Japanese version: タイシ (Tayisi) は、中国語の「太師」に由来するモンゴル語の称号である。北元期のモンゴル（明代モンゴル）では、チンギス・ハーンの血を引かない貴族のうちの最有力者が称した。--刻意(Kèyì) 08:25, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Converted to Islam?[edit]

With this edit, a statement was added about a year ago claiming that Esen had to nominally convert to Islam for marrying Uvai's daughter. The statement has been challenged under the assumption that Esen was muslim to begin with, hinted at by the muslim name "Mahamu" of his grandfather. Unfortunately that's not clear evidence, especially since the oirats were considered "infidels" by the Moghuls, (see here). On the other hand, we currently don't have sources for a conversion either. --Latebird (talk) 21:15, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The following statement was opyied from here:

There are different interpretation about "infidels" among Muslims. In reality there are many muslim names in his family before him, see http://www.surag.net/viewArticle.do?method=viewArticle&id=4a4f878f153bab8301154eb6c5040014 关于明代蒙古人的宗教信仰. It's unlikely he converted to another religion in order to marry a defeated leader's sister, see User talk:Enerelt. Sammyy85 (talk) 08:34, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Wrong link?[edit]

The link in the image points to Zhu Qizhan, a 19th century Chinese artist rather than Zhu Qizhen, the emperor in question. This should be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.205.25.53 (talk) 12:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]