Talk:Estevanico

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Esteban Dorantes It's funny that the article for George Washington doesn't say "George Washington was a <religion> blah blah blah". Why not just say "Estevanico was an African ... He was kidnapped and enslaved by the Portugese until he escaped or whatever.

It is very unlikely that Estevanico was a moslem at the time of his entry into the americas. The spanish had just ended the reconquista in 1492 after hundreds of years of war against the moslems of granada. It seems extremely unlikely that they would have brung a practicing moslem with them in their attempt to christianize the new world. He is even named after a catholic saint. The mention of his being a moslem needs a very good quote from a very reliable source inorder to be anything other than an attempt at rewriting history.Maunus 17:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't www.elizabethan-era.org.uk is an appropriate source. 74.78.98.109 (talk) 18:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Fixed.AbstractIllusions (talk) 06:49, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

A new bio of Estevanico/Esteban Dorantes by Robert Goodwin categorically treats him as "black" - from sub-Saharan Africa. He may have been Moroccan-born, of course; there were plenty of black slaves in Morocco in the 16th c.

about Estevanico[edit]

He was born in Azemmour Africa in 15oos, deid in Hawikuh newmexico,in1539. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.196.13.213 (talk) 21:44, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Merge with Esteban de Dorantes[edit]

As most saw fit, I merged Esteban de Dorantes with this page. I tried to keep as much verifiable content as possible. Because Estevanico is the preferred English language reference for the individual, I kept the Estevanico page and redirected the Esteban de Dorantes page. Sourced information from the Esteban de Dorantes page was kept. If I could find a source for it, I also kept that. But if it didn't have a clear, verifiable source it got cut. Cleaned up language and other minor issues. Individual changes made in the merger:

  • Cut 'Healer' line in the intro paragraph. It is discussed more appropriately below.
  • I removed the source on the Catholic Conversion and replaced it with a better source. The original source didn't talk about any supposed conversion that he underwent.
  • I removed the part about him growing close to Dorantes (which had no sourcing). He was a slave, Dorantes sold him. Really good sourcing is necessary for such a claim.
  • Added to shipwreck story. It seemed too brief in both originals.
  • Removed "Estevanico was asked" to go back to the North. He was a slave, any asking would require a good source.
  • Added the indigenous servants that accompanied him on the return. He wasn;t alone like the original entry asserted. All histories agree on this. AbstractIllusions (talk) 06:46, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

=The whole tale of Estevanico is twisted and warped as the remainder of Caucasian Euro-babble on how the West was won as many called History..~ The truth of the matter is..The whole of North and South America was inhabited by Moors..who controlled the Americas..who gave the maps of the trade routes to the highly illiterate Caucasian..~ After Spain fell..they ravaged the sacred texts and created the like mediocre likes of Cambridge..Oxford..~ The truth of the matter is this is all bent on mis-understandings and hideous lies to prevent truth from exposing the trail of lies that has been placed upon Human kind..that the African as the Alpha and Omega is hated for their greatness..knowledge of the celestial..~ NO other ethnic group has given the planet so much but in every manner of text..a new name emerges..other than African to usurp the sovereign domain of his divine intelligence..~ So now we have regurgitated nonsense which spews the world all over..~ Morocco was the first sovereign nation to recognize the Independence of the USA..~ The Alogonquin..aka African text formed the basis of the laws of this land..~ So many artifacts dumped in the Ocean..huge sections of the Grand Canyon blocked off from "ordinary" passage because TRUTH still remains..~ Whatever is not buried in the "national archive" or held in private libraries..~ The African ruled these lands from Alaska to Argentina..~ The historic findings of the "Grimaldi Man" gives you an inkling of the origins of Humanity and of the First Man..~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.24.148 (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2014 (UTC)