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Fleet evolution[edit]

Following is a list of archived pages including the fleet composition of the airline.

--Jetstreamer Talk 11:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Can be used as a starting point but it is not a reliable source. MilborneOne (talk) 12:17, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Really? Even ATDB isn't a reliable source? What else are we supposed to use for airline fleet history? —Compdude123 18:19, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Annual fleet reviews in journals like Flight are reliable sources for example. MilborneOne (talk) 18:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Actually I meant current fleet. What source can we use for that, if Airfleets, Planespotters, and now ATDB are deemed "unreliable sources"? —Compdude123 22:08, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

EAFEA history seems like unreliable source to me[edit]

this is the source in question. I don't think this is reliable for such statements as, just for instance, "Americans' intervention in Ethiopia, historians say, was not motivated by anti colonial sentiments. Their interest was based on the premise that once the war was over in Ethiopia, the region would be a highly important strategic aircraft base for the red sea and surrounding areas." Who are these "historians"? How can they make such sweeping black and white statements?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:30, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Reinstating a previous version[edit]

Hi everyone. Are there any issues with reinstating this version of the article? Please notice that I'm asking to reinstate a version prior to the edits made by a blocked user (KevinMichaelBradley1996 (talk · contribs)). You'll find the page history helpful.--Jetstreamer Talk 15:09, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I've checked out the version you wish to keep and I see no current issues. I was wondering about that user, I had to fix up after him twice - I assumed he was editing in good faith and didn't make an issue of it. You have my go-ahead to revert.EagerToddler39 (talk) 21:08, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I will wait a couple of days for more comments, if you don't mind.--Jetstreamer Talk 22:54, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Absolutely, go right ahead. I have gone through all her/his edits and all your attempts to revert and update with good sources. You are completely in the right. I think this is non-controversial. Besides the fact that s/he was blocked – as opposed to your well researched edits – s/he lists no reliable updated sources.— አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 00:28, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Thanks to you both.--Jetstreamer Talk 22:05, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Pilot training in 1935[edit]

I found this picture while researching historic photographs of Ethiopia. I have uploaded it for use but I do not have the resources to research its background. I believe it is relevant to this article.

"Some of Ethiopia's first pilots, with their French trainer Paul Corriger in 1935."

— አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 00:57, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

The picture has an interesting historical value. However, it seems to be dated to 1935, and Ethiopian Air Lines hadn't been founded yet. How can the image fit into the article?--Jetstreamer Talk 12:57, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
I am not sure, there are some references to the beginning of an Ethiopian Air Force before 1941. Perhaps, this was a precursor to Ethiopia Airlines. The article mentions French involvement in the inception of the airline. Perhaps this where that idea comes from. — አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 23:28, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps, the inquiry for assistance by Haile Sellassie came before Italian invasion. Even though the Airline was not established until 1941. I doubt the date of the photograph is incorrect, as Richard Pankhurst would not make a mistake in translating the Ethiopian Calendar. I think a look at the following sources should be illuminating (do you have access to any of these?):
  • Leif Hellstrom, "Imperial Fireflies", Air Enthusiast, The Historic Aviation Journal, No. 122 (March/April 2006), p. 2
  • Mekonnen Beri, Aviation in Ethiopia (Addis Ababa: Nigid Printing Press, 2002), p. 100
  • Coles, R. L. and Jules J. Heierle. "International Civil Aviation in Ethiopia."
  • Transport & communications in Ethiopia published by the Ethiopia YaMāstāwaqiyā ministér (Ministry of Information) in 1965.
  • p.19, p.50, p.143 of Historical Dictionary of Ethiopia by Thomas P. Ofcansky, David H. Shinn
This article gives a good overview of the beginnings of Aviation in Ethiopia. This Google books search also yields some interesting results.
Other unrelated sources I discovered while researching picture:
At the very least this search has yielded very reliable sources to replace EAFEA. Also, as you can see from the license attached to the photograph, Ethiopia's copyright laws in regards to historic photographs are not very strict. — አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 00:44, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Sorry for my late response, I'm kinda busy in real life these days. I haven't taken a look to the above references yet, but I can see you've been using at least one of them in the article. Please be patient regarding the reassessment, I will complete the promised stuff as soon as I can. Regards.--Jetstreamer Talk 10:34, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
No worries, I am actually working to find historical photographs myself to help. There is no rush. We have made a significant dent on many of the major issues me and AIRcorn raised. — አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 04:26, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Archived references not used in the article[edit]

--Jetstreamer Talk 20:57, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Ethiopian Airlines Flight 702[edit]

Airline Reporter has details of a hijacking of Flight 702. Details to date are not sufficiently confirmed to write anything encyclopedic - there's a track of the flight and monitored tower communications but no word on any details of the hijackers themselves. It's an ongoing situation. Edward Vielmetti (talk) 05:25, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

A news report from news.com.au relies on Airline Reporter and Flight Radar. Edward Vielmetti (talk) 05:30, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Press release from Ethiopian Airlines acknowledges flight diversion, does not mention hijacking. Edward Vielmetti (talk) 05:51, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Archive of press release from Ethiopian Airlines. Edward Vielmetti (talk) 05:56, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
BBC has breaking news but no additional detail. Edward Vielmetti (talk) 06:03, 17 February 2014 (UTC)