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[edit] Economy of Europe
I think this would be in the economy section: Europe has a long history as the world's richest and most productive part of the world. At the time of Christ's birth is estimated western European output per capita was approximately 30% higher than the world average. Year 1500 had this advantage increased to 40%.[1] After the development of science and the Industrial Revolution in Europe grew its lead quickly, in 1700 produced an average European almost 70% more than world's average population, and in 1850 was taken over the entire 150%. Around the year 1900 was Western Europe's leading role as the world's most productive area has been taken over by the former European colony of the United States, but Europe has continued to belong to the world's richest, most productive and knowledge-producing regions.[1]
[edit] europe's knights and kings
europe had a interesting history and in his history the ancient romans are rule very longly but in time of sharlman frenk he was an wonderful king he won france,germany,holand,switzerland,spain,and many states he won. but when he come to kingdom the roman time had a very problems but he tried to fixed them. for easy corporation of economical,politcal sides he distribute the whole kingdom to his knights and his knights get the parts of kingdom but after sharlman europe does not have any powerful king that's why the european knights get powerful and now the king have not controled on the knights and the knights have there independente sides but at 12th and 13th century the business grown up and business want a poweful and stable government that secure them and that's why the businessman are support the king and king are gain up with the bang and now the knight are going very powerless and at war of paths the king get whole power and now knights are going down and down.- sompura sagar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.97.249.177 (talk) 14:36, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
[edit] "Mostly in Europe", "Mostly in Asia"
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I have removed any such statements and adopted a neutral tone. It is not wikipedia's prerogative to determine which country belongs mostly where. The consensus on transcontinental country articles is that they are Eurasian, therefore can belong to either continent. This ambiguity is necessary to maintain neutrality and avoid constant challenges to claims of someone belonging "mostly" in Europe or Asia.--Andriabenia (talk) 11:14, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Mathsci, a single work cannot possibly carry so much weight. The views expressed in the book are those of the author and it is not a standard for anything. The consensus where Europe ends does not exists and it will not come into existence just because you and user:chipmunkdavis do not want to see poor peripheral countries like Georgia on this cherished article of yours. Including them as an expression of your mercy - i.e. " they're not really Europe but since they so insist we'll throw them in" - is not something I am willing to put up with. I am not here to make wikipedia decide that they are either European or Asian. I am only against the use of word "mostly."--Andriabenia (talk) 15:04, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
You have just tag bombed the footnotes in the article. On the other hand it's fairly easy to find discussions about boundaries in the Caucasus. The book "The Caucasus: An Introduction" by Frederik Coene, published by Routledge, makes it clear that the issue is completely ambiguous. On page 5, Coene states, "The question of whether the Caucasus belongs to Europe or to Asia has been and still is the subject of many intense discussions." He then gives five differing descriptions / interpretations of the borders:
These ambiguities can be spelt out in an article on the Caucasus, but that detail is unnecessary in this general article. The border that you described, according to this source, is only one of five possibilities and is not the most widely accepted one. Mathsci (talk) 00:23, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
[edit] WP:BRDThis seems to be deteriorating into an edit war. The procedure outlined in BRD is that the editor makes a change (Andriabenia), another reverts it, the page stays reverted (without the proposed changes) until the discussion can form a WP:CONSENSUS Hopefully discussion can form a consensus acceptable to both parties, at which point any agreed changes can be made. If this is against some already agreed consensus, apologies, but after briefly reading the above remarks and seeing the edit histories, it seems that the bold changing editor is unwilling to accept that there is not consensus for their addition. Chaosdruid (talk) 00:02, 8 January 2012 (UTC) |
[edit] Interesting article
"Where Is Europe?" by Frank Jacobs, New York Times, January 9, 2012... AnonMoos (talk) 04:17, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
[edit] Chinese Name Change
I deleted the following sentence from this page:
which is an abbreviation of the transliterated name Ōuluóbā zhōu (歐羅巴洲)
I did this because, I have never heard this term though I am a speaker of Chinese. I asked some native Chinese speakers, and they also had never heard this term. I have found any research indicating that the term 欧洲 is an abbreviation of 欧罗巴州, as the deleted sentence suggests, though 欧罗巴 is direct transliteration of the word Europe into Chinese. The word was used on the Chinese Language Wikipedia page refers to 欧罗巴 only as a transliteration for the Greek word "Europa."
[edit] A Continent only by Convention and Not in Fact
The fact that Europe and Asia are not really separate continents should be recognized at the beginning of the article. Yes, by convention! That is sort of like saying the two are "honorary continents." Or maybe this should be compared with "the emperor's new clothes"? This is all so elementary. The convention has to be referred to, but we should make clear that it is not true, as is of course clear to the beginner who reads more of the article. In his Study of History, Toynbee analyzes this false division. To the early Greeks, the two seemed to resemble separate continents because they were divided by the Straits, the Black Sea, and the Aegean--but not further north. Actually, "Asia" originally referred only to Anatolia.I would have to check exact references and may not get to this task soon. Someone else is welcome to do so. Eleanor1944 (talk) 05:16, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
- We already open that it is a continent by convention. CMD (talk) 10:20, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
- I think the use of the phrase "by convention" is quite sufficient. Language is convention, and Europe is conventionally defined as a continent. As far as I can see, the introduction does not in any way imply that Europe and Asia are separate continents (in the sense of being separated by an ocean or being on different tectonic plates, for instance). Similarly, the Pacific Ocean is separated from other oceans by convention rather than by land. I can't imagine anyone being misled into believing that Europe and Asia are not contiguous.--Boson (talk) 10:44, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
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