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Largest Cities[edit]

Order of largest cities in info box is wrong. Must be edited according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_cities — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.173.81.5 (talk) 15:02, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Economy of Europe[edit]

I think this would be in the economy section: Europe has a long history as the world's richest and most productive part of the world. At the time of Christ's birth is estimated western European output per capita was approximately 30% higher than the world average. Year 1500 had this advantage increased to 40%.[1] After the development of science and the Industrial Revolution in Europe grew its lead quickly, in 1700 produced an average European almost 70% more than world's average population, and in 1850 was taken over the entire 150%. Around the year 1900 was Western Europe's leading role as the world's most productive area has been taken over by the former European colony of the United States, but Europe has continued to belong to the world's richest, most productive and knowledge-producing regions.[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.103.205.2 (talkcontribs) 12 January 2011

Chinese Name Change[edit]

I deleted the following sentence from this page:

which is an abbreviation of the transliterated name Ōuluóbā zhōu (歐羅巴洲)

I did this because, I have never heard this term though I am a speaker of Chinese. I asked some native Chinese speakers, and they also had never heard this term. I have found any research indicating that the term 欧洲 is an abbreviation of 欧罗巴州, as the deleted sentence suggests, though 欧罗巴 is direct transliteration of the word Europe into Chinese. The word was used on the Chinese Language Wikipedia page refers to 欧罗巴 only as a transliteration for the Greek word "Europa." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agenbite (talkcontribs) 27 January 2012

Secular populations[edit]

At the very bottom of the article it is mentioned that countries like Sweden, France and German have particularly high proportions of non-religious citizen -- the same can be said for Denmark, which, afaik is has a practically entirely non-religious population. A few people are religious but they are by far the minority and mostly consist of immigrants (both christian and muslim). I also noticed that no citations backup any of the claims. Please don't be fooled by the fact that a lot of people are members of "folkekirken" -- it has nothing to do with being religious (most member automatically join because their parents are members and very few ever think about it being possible to leave it).

Europe (the concept) does not "date back to classical antiquity"[edit]

In the intro, the article states that the concept of Europe dates back to classical antiquity, but no source is cited. I think that Europe is a concept that evolved out of Christendom after the reconquest, i.e., at the end of the end of the "middle ages" and beginning of the modern period. 76.16.59.149 (talk) 05:52, 15 January 2014 (UTC)ProfessorD.us

Please read the Definition and Etymology sections first and then come back if you still think the concept of Europe dating back to antiquity is an unsourced claim. There is also the world map of Herodotus in the Definition section which divides the world into Europe, Asia, and Libya if you think they did not have a concept of Europe back then. Cadiomals (talk) 06:52, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2014[edit]

Hi, Istanbul is not part of the europe, it's under discutions but really not in the europe 89.93.94.159 (talk) 22:17, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} (tec) 23:23, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Most populous cities list[edit]

I searched around for a few European cities both on and not on the list in the fact box, and it doesn't seem to list a logically coherent number of cities. Several cities, including Stockholm, Helsinki, Barcelona, Lisbon, Oslo, Copenhagen, Tallinn, Riga, Dublin, Budapest, Zurich and even more Spanish, Italian, British, German and Russian etc. cities might be able to make the list. Was the list compiled from another Wikipedia page list of the world's most populated cities or something? If not, why? Is the list recently updated? What's the lower limit for population? What constitutes a city/ city's population? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.215.8.233 (talk) 21:33, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

The list is based on urban areas from numerous sources. City jurisdiction is not representative of the actual size of the city, and metropolitan area includes, separate, satellite cities. – Rob (talk | contribs) 11:08, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

The English flag next to London seems out of place when all the other cities are shown by sovereign state. To fit the list should it not be the UK flag, irrespective of people's opinions about the future of the UK?

--PRL1973 (talk) 10:41, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

That was a recent addition, I've reverted it. – Rob (talk | contribs) 11:08, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Languages of Europe[edit]

I don't understand the map of European languages, there are dozens of languages not mentioned in the map like Neapolitan, Sardinian, Asturian, Occitan, Mirandese etc. On the other hand, the map includes Galician, which is co-dialect of Portuguese, much like the Flemish dialect and the Dutch language. I suppose this map should have some serious revising by language experts — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.82.128.83 (talk) 11:09, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


Istanbul[edit]

Hi AbelM7. Geographically, most sources define part of Turkey as being part of Europe. More then 6 million of Istanbul's population live in Europe, making it about the 6th largest urban area in the continent, and well worthy of inclusion. Regardless of what polity European Istanbul is within, it is one of the largest urban areas in Europe. Your claims that it isn't European are POV. Politically Turkey is well integrated into Europe. Are you making some cultural distinction here? And why don't you remove inclusion of Turkey from the article body? Europe#Definition includes European Turkey. Rob (talk | contribs) 23:09, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Only 3% of Turkish land is in Europe. Turkey is an Asian country. My claims that it isn't European aren't POV. Turkey tries to be European so of course it will try to integrate with Europe but it will never be a European country. Just because a country has 3% of its land in Europe, does not make it a European country. The European Union also thinks that Turkey isn't European so they won't accept Turkey. AbelM7 (talk) 06:19, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
The European part of Istanbul is one of the largest urban areas in Europe, by most definitions of Europe. If it's in Europe, how is it not a European city? Rob (talk | contribs) 13:03, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Because it's a Turkish city. Turkey is an Asian country. AbelM7 (talk) 20:56, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
POV. Rob (talk | contribs) 21:14, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
It's POV that Turkey is part of Europe. AbelM7 (talk) 21:42, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
How is Moscow European, but not Istanbul? Most of Russia is in Asia, so is it an Asian country? Rob (talk | contribs) 21:48, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Russia and Turkey are two different countries. Russia started out in Europe and later expanded into Siberia (Asia). Russia used to own Alaska (North America) but that did not made it a North American country. Russia's capital, Moscow, is located in Europe. Most of the Russian population are located in Europe. The Russian language is a Slavic language, a European language. Turkey has its roots from the Ottoman Empire which started out in modern day Turkey and later expanded into other parts of Asia, Europe, and Africa. AbelM7 (talk) 22:44, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
That logic's incredibly problematic. Is Cayenne, a city that is part of France and located in South America, not a South American city, but European? Is Novosibirsk, a city that is part of Russia and located in Asia, not Asian, but European? Both are inhabited by people closely associated with native Europeans. Identity aside, the part of Istanbul in Europe, is in Europe. Identity, which will always be POV since many Turks like to consider themselves European but some Europeans don't, is probably not the best way to define, what are predominately geographic entities. Rob (talk | contribs) 00:04, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Fine. If you want Istanbul on the list, go ahead, it's not a total damage to the page. But either way, Turkey is an Asian country and not European. AbelM7 (talk) 23:24, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

A portion of Turkey is indeed European. Most of Turkey is in Asia, specifically West Asia, but Eastern Thrace is definitely a part of Europe, regardless if the land is occupied by a Turkic nation. Claiming that Turkey as a whole is Asian is false. Nicholas (Alo!) 22:05, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Biggest cities[edit]

The list of Europe's biggest cities has to be enlarged by one: Hamburg as municipality as well as its metropolitan region has a bit more inhabitants than Warsaw.--Ulamm (talk) 00:01, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

It depends on the source. By many sources there are quite a few cities larger (Hamburg, Lisburn, Naples, Brussels, Birmingham...). We could possible remove Warsaw since there's not many cities that contend Rome and Kiev. And the list is already fairly long. Rob (talk | contribs) 00:26, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Requested change by an administrator: Denmark is part of Europe proper on pictured Münster map[edit]

In the picture text "Europa regina map from Münster (1570). The British Isles and Scandinavia are not included in Europe proper", I would like to either

1) add "parts of" before "Scandinavia", or

2) add "(except Denmark)" after "Scandinavia",

as Denmark ("Dania") is quite clearly depicted as part of Europe proper on the pictured map. Would an administrator please make that change (using one of the given wordings or a similar one), as the page is currently fully protected?

Thanks in advance! --Jhertel (talk) 13:20, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Birthplace of Western culture?[edit]

"Europe, in particular Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome, is the birthplace of Western culture."

Western culture (whatever one actually means with that) has had so much influence from various sources that I would not try to pinpoint the birthplace of it to be Ancient Greece and Rome, especially in the introduction. One is free to explore the complexity of the history of Western culture in its own article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.11.250.154 (talk) 18:20, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
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