Talk:Exodus International

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Recent edits[edit]

I'm concerned about recent edits to this article. For example

...but many of the member ministries which comprised Exodus dispute this claim and say they were never consulted or advised. Many of them withdrew from Exodus International (the US organization) and formed two new Ex-Gay ministry networks. The two largest of these post-Exodus networks are the Restored Hope Network and Hope for Wholeness.[1] [2][3][4]
References

These sources are not reliable.

I invite RpNJ to discuss these edits here.- MrX 00:13, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


Thank you MrX. Since most of these changes relate specifically to the statements and actions of the individuals within the organization, I originally felt that it was best to provide direct links to the articles and posts written by those individuals who were mentioned. The question of whether these are "fringe" seems odd since this is based on the assumption that topic itself is "fringe." Perhaps it is, but this article has existed for several years. The segments that were added regarding the organization's closure were missing the actions of the rest of the organization in the aftermath of the decision made by the Board of Directors.

All of these edits are well documented by a variety of independent News sources(including these below):

[1] [2] Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page). [3] [4]

The edits I made were far more documented than the rest of the existing article. user: RpNJ 02:47, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by RpNJ (talkcontribs) 02:42, 11 September 2014 (UTC) 
I think it would be best to stick to the content in reliable secondary sources (Huffington Post, Christianity Today) and avoid closely connected sites, blogs and videos. You also have to be careful about presenting content accurately and neutrally. For example, you made this change

Exodus International was a non-profit, interdenominational ex-gay Christian organization that sought to help people who wished to limit their homosexual desires. It was founded in 1976, but ceased activities in June 2013, issuing a statement which repudiated its aims and apologized for the harm their pursuit has caused to LGBT people.

Exodus International was the US based extension of Exodus Global Alliance, a non-profit, interdenominational ex-gay Christian organization that seeks to help people who wish experience Same-Sex Attraction, but choose to pursue chaste lives and/or to limit their homosexual desires in order to live according to their moral beliefs.

That is a very non-neutral presentation.

Similarly, this

The leaders of Former Exodus-affiliated member ministries, including the original founder of Exodus International, Frank Worthen, immediately issued a rebuttal to Alan Chambers apology.[5][6][7]

While some falsely proclaim that a transformed life is optional for Christians, the united witness of Jesus and the writers of Scripture are clear: In God’s grace true saving faith results in a life of holiness and sexual purity. Thankfully God does not leave his people without a witness to the transforming power of Jesus Christ.[8]

Other member ministries released their own statements reflecting disagreement with Alan Chambers' decision and the decision of the three person Board of Directors for the US "Exodus International" umbrella organization. Overall, the closure of the US umbrella organization "Exodus International" had little to no effect on the day to day work of the Exodus member ministries. Most of them continue to operate and many have joined one or both of the new ministry networks established by Exodus member ministries.[9][10]

References

is mostly sourced to closely connected sources. It is also WP:UNDUE, especially with the quote, which strikes me as WP:SOAPBOXing.- MrX 03:37, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you X, I will follow your advice and also review the guidelines before making any edits going forward. I definitely do not want to add bias or any non neutral information to any article.

RpNJ 14:37, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Further reading[edit]

I just wanted to explain my removal of recent additions to the "Further reading" section. Per WP:FURTHER, this section is for readings on the subject of the article. The additions, at least at first glance, appeared to be about SOCE in general, rather than about Exodus in particular. That these were books supposedly carries by Exodus's bookstore does not make them relevant (oy, how long the Further Reading section of the Waldenbooks article would be!) I checked one of the books listed, and it only mentioned Exodus on a single page (plus in the index, linking to that page); additionally, the book in question had a 2014 publication date, making even the claim of a listing at the Exodus bookstore problematic. --Nat Gertler (talk) 15:23, 11 September 2014 (UTC)