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e·h·w·Stock post message.svg To-do:
  • Maybe another reference about history of gravitational microlensing method
  • Might like to modify the gravitational-lensing diagram slightly
  • Add something on HD 209458 b#Atmospheric water vapor
  • Add links perhaps with some discussion to similar articles The Fermi Paradox, The Rare Earth Hypothesis and The Many-body problem
  • A list of instruments/telescopes used to find exoplanets and an indication of how useful they have been and how many exoplanets they have found perhaps also their operational ranges
  • Think the article could have a better link to the planetary habitability article. Perhaps a synopsis of that article plus a see main article link.
  • Discussion of static magnetic fields e.g. Mercury in properties section
  • Atmospheric expansion of hot jupiters
  • neat real picture at [1] !
  • List of REAL exoplanet images.
  • A little more about polarimetry--which planet(s) have been studied that way?

How can an exoplanet be able to contain water[edit]

 For finding any theoretical explanation of mechanism which results production of water in planetary system see my works.

I give new approach for this case ,as you will see the chemical kinetic which produces generally water and ammonia and methane in outer part of solar system that contains three planets body together with some planet’s atmosphere and comets body are made now not remaining from first solar system nebula .--Akbarmohammadzade (talk) 06:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC) we were show that the solar CNO cycle produced particles with protons and electrons carried by solar wind are fouling on the outer part of system and make three famous molecules :methane and water and ammonia .--Akbarmohammadzade (talk) 06:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Life on Exoplanets[edit]

In the paragraph dealing with life on exoplanets, someone educated in the field of biology and development of life on earth should say something about the fact that for earth, complex lifeforms emerged only after 4 billion years and chances are that conditions on any planet just take so much time too be just right for complex life to develop.

It certainly should be mentioned with this new hype regarding the new KOI superearth analog in the habitable zone. No life will be there, not even detectable oxygen in the atmosphere. That took primitive life on earth something like 2.000.000.000 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.208.215.99 (talk) 22:56, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, while that sounds sensible, it is pure speculation. So, unless an RS made those speculations, it definitely does not belong in the article. Geo Swan (talk) 22:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Also, with Creation Theory, who is to say it took billions of years to get where we are on Earth? Agreed that the 'unknown' does not need to be expanded in the article here. What would be a 'reliable source' on this anyway? — Just asking, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 12:32, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
On the other hand, a point could be made (in the article here) of the amazing creation of Earth (and plant, animal, Earthlings) and the delicate nature of our existence, supported by the Creator. As everyone may know, National Geographic Channel this evening features the new Fox science series “Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey”. President Obama will deliver the introduction. "Be there, or be square!" [2] FYI, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 12:41, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Creationism is just pure religious bullshit that is not supported by any shred of evidence and falsified by tons of evidence. --JorisvS (talk) 12:48, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
While I tend to agree with regard to so-called "creation science", one need not be a dick about it (unless, of course, you're just a dick). Besides, I can't help but think that much of the information in this article will likewise seem like bullshit to future generations.--172.162.66.156 (talk) 05:33, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Can we please keep this discussion civil? David J Johnson (talk) 11:57, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Alpha Centauri Bb[edit]

The existence of Alpha Centauri Bb has not been confirmed. I don't think it should be reported on this page until the evidence is more solid. Praemonitus (talk) 22:34, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

I've rephrased things to emphasize that there is doubt about its existence. There is also now a new section on Candidate discoveries which links to the article List of unconfirmed extrasolar planets. Astredita (talk) 12:30, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

KOI-172.02 paragraph in the introduction[edit]

Should this be removed and replaced with Kepler-62 paragraph as Kepler-62 planets turned out to be in the habitable zone? --Artman40 (talk) 11:54, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes. The Kepler-62 planets are currently the best examples of almost earth-size planets in the habitable zone. Astredita (talk) 17:26, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Number of Kepler candidates[edit]

According to NASA's [3], the number of Kepler candidates has increased to more than 3400 (if you discount the confirmed planets). In addition, exoplanet archive now lists a few detection methods which the planet discovery graphs have not taken account for. --Artman40 (talk) 22:00, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 22:35, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Extrasolar planetExoplanet – Per Wikipedia:COMMONNAME. The term "Exoplanet" is used far more than "Extrasolar planet". See, for example, this google ngram graph. Q6637p (talk) 15:22, 7 November 2013 (UTC) Support move, more common and more concise. - WPGA2345 - 04:57, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Word confusion[edit]

OK I fixed the wrong problem before, but now I see the real problem. "It is expected that there are many billions of planets in the Milky Way (at least one planet, on average, orbiting around each star, resulting in 100–400 billion exoplanets)." OK I looked up that there are about 400 billion stars in the Milky Way. Base on the information in the (), if it's true that each star has about 1 orbiting planet then it would be true to have 100-400 billion exoplanets. It is totally contradicted by the precedent statement. I know planets in Milky Way and 100-400 billion exoplanets are referring to exoplanets. I don't know about you guys, but many billions are not the same as 100-400 billion. To me, many billions mean 2-99 billions. "Many billions" should be change into "hundreds billion."Pendragon5 (talk) 04:43, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

It does not say "about 1 planet". It says "at least 1 planet". There could well be much more than 1 per star but we just don't know at this point in time. There could be 10 on average for all we know, and that seems quite likely to me. "Many" is an unspecific term and therefore suitable since we don't know exactly how many there are. "hundreds" is too specific because it suggests that the number is known to the accuracy that it is possible to say hundreds but it isn't known that accurately. There could very well be trillions of planets in the milky way. i.e. thousands of billions, not hundreds. But we don't know. Maybe there are less than a trillion. Maybe more. All we really know is that there are billions, lots of billions, many billions. Astredita (talk) 05:42, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
FWIW, I personally don't find "many billions" to be limited to "2-99". Usually "many" is pretty open ended. Rwessel (talk) 05:48, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
I've deleted the 100-400b bit because: "at least 1 planet on average per star with an estimated 100-400b stars" does NOT mean 100-400b planets. It means "at least 100-400b planets". However that isn't a useful sentence. Combining a lowest estimate for planets per star with a range of estimates for the number of stars does not produce a simple estimate of the total number of planets. Astredita (talk) 06:00, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Use the refs "There are at least 100 billion planets in the galaxy, just our galaxy," says John Johnson 1 and Jonathan Swift 2. Jim1138 (talk) 06:03, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I've rephrased it in that way. Astredita (talk) 06:24, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Distance[edit]

"In many cases the semi-major axis is approximately the same as the distance between the planet and the star."

OR

"In many cases the semi-major axis is approximately the same as the distance between the planet and the center of the star and to its surface."

I found the second version difficult to read. I'm not sure it is necessary for this sentence to specify the point on the star that the distance is measured from because the sentence is talking about approximateness. On the other hand the section as a whole is distinguishing between different points so perhaps the sentence should be reworded. Astredita (talk) 13:13, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Maybe it should be reworded somehow. As you say, we're distinguishing between different points. Then we should try to be crystal clear to which point we're referring at any time. --JorisvS (talk) 13:41, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

New version: "If the sizes of the star and planet are relatively small compared to the size of the orbit and the orbit is nearly circular and the center of mass is not too far from the star's center, such as in the Earth-Sun system, then the distance from any point on the star to any point on the planet is approximately the same as the semi-major axis. However, when a star's radius expands when it turns into a red giant, then the distance between the planet and the star's surface can become close to zero, or even less than zero if the planet has been engulfed by the expanding red giant, whereas the center of mass from which the semi-major axis is measured will still be near the center of the red giant." Astredita (talk) 14:48, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

NASA Kepler telescope helps identify 750 new planets outside our solar system[edit]

Headline-1: Planet bonanza: NASA announces discovery of 715 new worlds

"NASA says its Kepler telescope has discovered a bonanza of 715 planets outside our solar system, pushing the number of planets discovered in the galaxy to about 1,700."

Headline-2: ‘We Almost Doubled Just Today the Number of Planets Known to Humanity’

" "Our galaxy is looking far more crowded and hospitable. NASA on Wednesday confirmed a bonanza of 715 newly discovered planets outside our solar system." "Scientists using the planet-hunting Kepler telescope pushed the number of planets discovered in the galaxy to about 1,700. Twenty years ago, astronomers had not found any planets circling stars other than the ones revolving around our sun."

Headline-3: NASA Scientists Discover 715 New Planets — Data From Kepler Space Telescope Suggests 4 Alien Worlds Have Potential for Life

NOTE: This is a subscription article: "NASA scientists announced Wednesday the discovery of 715 . . ." — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:30, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Beta Pictoris[edit]

I see a picture/photograph of Beta Pictoris at the top of the article here.

Headine-1: Did two planets around nearby star collide? Toxic gas holds hints.

QUOTE: “This artist's impression of the Beta Pictoris system shows carbon monoxide gas permeating the star's dusty debris disc. Astronomers say this gas could be the signs of a massive collision of two icy, Mars-sized planets or constant collisions among a population of comets. (F. Reddy / NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center)” [Fascinating Los Angeles Times article.] — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:12, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

FWIW - *May* also be relevant as a way a planet can receive complex organic chemicals (starting materials for life - or even primitive life-forms themselves?) (per Panspermia, Abiogenesis and related) - ref details => < ref name="LAT_20140308">Khan, Amina (March 7, 2014). "Did two planets around nearby star collide? Toxic gas holds hints". LA Times. Retrieved March 9, 2014. </ref> AND < ref name="SCI-20140306">Dent, W.R.F.; Wyatt, M.C.;Roberge, A.; Augereau,J.-C.; Casassus, S.;Corder, S.; Greaves, J.S.; de Gregorio-Monsalvo, I; Hales, A.; Jackson, A.P.; Hughes, A. Meredith; Lagrange, A.-M; Matthews, B.; Wilner, D. (March 6, 2014). "Molecular Gas Clumps from the Destruction of Icy Bodies in the β Pictoris Debris Disk". Science (journal). doi:10.1126/science.1248726. Retrieved March 9, 2014. </ref> - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 16:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Breakup article[edit]

The article is intimidating in its current length. I think it would be much better as shorter articles. I noticed that the 'further reading' section is very long; could that be a separate article? Sanpitch (talk) 04:59, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it is long enough. Many of the sections hardly say anything. I think it would be even worse as short articles - there are already dozens of very short Wikipedia articles on exoplanets which could be merged into this one. I've moved the further reading items into the sections of the article where they can be expanded upon. The study of exoplanets has hardly begun. I think the article will end up being very much longer than it is today. Astredita (talk) 12:30, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

For a shorter introduction to exoplanets there is the exoplanet section of the planet article. I've added a hat note to this effect. Astredita (talk) 15:26, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I am happy that you're so passionate about Exoplanets that want to make a very detailed and extensive article. I also like Exoplanets. FYI, Wikipedia:Article Size says that for articles above 50kB of readable prose, one should consider moving parts of the article to other articles and replacing them with summaries. The Exoplanets page has about 63kB of readable prose, while Life has about 40kB and Astronomy has 36kB. From Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is Not we see that Wikipedia is not an collection of links, or scientific journal, or a means of promotion; the article is moving in that direction. I suggest that if you want it to be useful to other people (besides yourself and a few other enthusiasts) that you consider making it "as simple as possible, but not simpler." Sanpitch (talk) 03:15, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
The further reading items can be converted into prose over time so the article doesn't become just a collection of links. A few of the items were incorporated into the article prose today. Some of the sections probably will grow to the point that they will be split into separate articles. Astredita (talk) 20:12, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
It sounds like you agree that the article is too long and parts need to be split off. I'm glad to hear this. The article as it stands today is not that useful for the general audience. I do not think that your change of moving the further reading sections into the article helped, but exacerbated the "link list" nature of the article. Also, adding a link to the exoplanet section of planet sounds to me like an acknowledgement of the convoluted and messy nature of the article. I wish you the best as you work to clean it up.Sanpitch (talk) 20:54, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
That is not even remotely close to what I said. Astredita (talk) 21:47, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

You have pointed out that Wikipedia:Article Size says above 50kB of readable prose, one should consider moving parts of the article to other articles and replacing them with summaries. You also suggested the 'Further reading' section could be another article. However the 'Further reading' section was no prose just titles, i.e. the ultimate summarization of the content in those articles. So moving 'Further reading' elsewhere and replacing it with summaries is therefore nonsensical. Astredita (talk) 22:01, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

All I'm saying is that the article seems too long. I do not plan to contribute to this article other than via these comments; if you don't value my feedback, I will not hinder you further from growing the article size.Sanpitch (talk)

Sub-brown dwarf with planet or Rogue planet with moon[edit]

Even if MOA-2011-BLG-262 is a planetary-mass object that doesn't necessarily mean its companion should be called a moon. Free floating planetary-mass objects can form from interstellar clouds just like stars and brown-dwarfs do. In which case they are sub-brown dwarfs. The satellites of sub-brown dwarfs could be considered planets just as the satellites of stars and brown dwarfs are planets. That MOA-2011-BLG-262 has a companion makes it unlikely to be a rogue planet that has been ejected from orbit around a star. Although The Survival Rate of Ejected Terrestrial Planets with Moons by J. H. Debes, S. Sigurdsson suggests it's not impossible for ejected planets to hold on to their moons, so the presence of a moon doesn't necessarily mean the main object is a sub-brown dwarf. Astredita (talk) 14:21, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

NASA-TV (07/14/2014@2pm/et/usa) - Search for Life Beyond Earth.[edit]

NASA-TV (0714/2014@2:00-3:30pm/et/usa) - Panel of leading experts to discuss plans leading to the "discovery of potentially habitable worlds among the stars" => < ref name="NASA-20140710">Brown, Dwayne (July 10, 2014). "MEDIA ADVISORY M14-117 - Leading Space Experts to Discuss the Search for Life Beyond Earth". NASA. Retrieved July 10, 2014. </ref> - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 13:40, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

FOLLOWUP - NASA VIDEO REPLAY - Space Experts Discuss the "Search for Life in the Universe" (86:49) at => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNjuz6MO0eU - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 12:50, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Definition of exoplanet correct?[edit]

"An exoplanet or extrasolar planet is a planet that does not orbit Earth's Sun and instead orbits a different star, stellar remnant, or brown dwarf."

So what is a "free-floating" planetary body? An "interplanet"?

Samuel Webster (talk) 20:47, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

A "sub-brown dwarf", as mentioned in the article. Tbayboy (talk) 23:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Ah, thanks, I see, it's lower down under "IAU". I still think it would be better to open with:

"An exoplanet or extrasolar planet is a planet that does not orbit Earth's Sun. Normally, exoplanets orbit ... but there are apparently rare cases of free-floating planets that do not orbit ..."

Something like that. But not a big deal.

Samuel Webster (talk) 11:49, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

NASA-TV (08/20/2014@5:30-6:30pm/et/usa) - Habitable Exoplanets.[edit]

FWIW - NASA-TV (08/20/2014@5:30-6:30pm/et/usa) - panel of experts discuss ancient Earth and Habitable Exoplanets< ref name="NASA-20140819">Brown, Dwayne (August 19, 2014). "MEDIA ADVISORY M14-137 - NASA to Air Panel Discussion about Ancient Earth and Habitable Planets". NASA. Retrieved August 20, 2014. </ref> - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 13:52, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

FOLLOWUP - NASA VIDEO REPLAY - Excellent imo - Space Experts Discuss "Ancient Earth, Alien Earths" (59:38) at => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwvj9SUUVlo - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 23:51, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Radio detection of exo moons[edit]

I believe that radio detection of exo-moons has been described as-in theory-possible(moons like Io). Should we add this to the article? --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 18:52, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Featured article status[edit]

This article no longer appears to meet criterion 2 of Wikipedia:Featured article criteria: (a) the lead is over long, (b) the table of contents is too extensive, and (c) the citations are not formatted consistently. There are several very short sections and paragraphs consisting of single sentences; some sections are merely lists of topics, wikilinks, external jumps or references. After 8 years of edits since its promotion, the layout and style of the article is considerably different. DrKiernan (talk) 19:56, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Converting the lists of topics etc into prose will take a lot of time so I've removed the fa template from the article. Astredita (talk) 15:48, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
There's a lengthy process to remove featured article status. DrKiernan (talk) 15:55, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Metallicity[edit]

All sizes have a higher occurrence rate. The increase with metallicty increases with size. I guess what I had written wasn't very clear so I've put the actual numbers in. Astredita (talk) 17:22, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it looks much clearer now—it needed only minor copyediting now. --JorisvS (talk) 10:59, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Repeated wiki-linked separate references to free-floating and rogue planets without clarification[edit]

  1. It might help the reader to understand why they're being directed to "rogue planet", and that these terms are interchangeable. Using both terms without ever explaining that they refer to the same thing seems unhelpful.
  2. It's customary to link the first occurrence of a term and not wikilink subsequent occurrences (for those that like guidelines etc., here's the link: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#Principles).

Applying these two principles, my change was mostly reverted. Time for discussion?

Samsara 11:36, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

I was copyediting the same things at the same time you were. I redid the 'free floating, "rogue" planets, not orbiting any star' part, because that is poor text. In this case "rogue" breaks the sentence flow because it adds only a synonym (presented in quotes!) in a structure that suggests it adds something to the following noun. A synonym is easy to find by following the wikilink.
As for another wikilink far down in the article: readers may want to go to the article about it, only to find they either have to use Wikipedia's search function or have to search the article for the relevant wikilink, which may make it useful to repeat a wikilink occasionally. Links to the same page close to each other, of course, do not suffer from this problem. --JorisvS (talk) 11:47, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
At Talk:Free-floating planet, it was argued that '"Rogue planet" [...] is [the] more commonly used' name - I'm not sure why we're not using that consistently, or alternatively, arguing for free-floating to be the standard across the encyclopaedia, as it's more accessible. I find the construction we have now rather cumbersome. Samsara 12:37, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Fine with me. I'm all for consistent usage of one term and only mentioning alternative terms in the leads of the articles in question. --JorisvS (talk) 16:12, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
As per this discussion, I've now made an edit that changes all instances of free-floating planet(s) (only where exact phrase used) to rogue planet(s). "Free-floating" is used in other configurations in the article, among them "free-floating planet binary" - I did not modify these. I also did not change the amount of wikilinking, but noted that there are currently four instances where "rogue planet" is wikilinked. Samsara 12:46, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

The rationale for this change was consistency, and yet changing only the exact phrase "free-floating planet" and leaving unchanged "free-floating" is totally inconsistent and only serves to obscure the meaning of free-floating when it appears. The paragraph on captured planets was made less understandable by this change as the phrase free-floating then appeared without first introducing the term free-floating planet at the beginning of the paragraph. (this paragraph has since been moved to the planetary system article.) Things often have different names e.g. United States, US or USA, - that's what redirects are for and that's why articles usually begin by listing alternative names. They should not be changed to enforce consistency without reading and understanding the context in which each usage is used. Astredita (talk) 10:18, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Page split to Exoplanet, page 2[edit]

This page was overly long, that's why I tagged it for content to be moved. This move must be to more-specific articles, not to a second page covering just the other half. What this page should do is summarize the core aspects of the exoplanet topic and refer to the dedicated sub-topic articles for more details. Just splitting it up to two pages is absolutely a no-go. --JorisvS (talk) 11:27, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Astredita yeah have to agree - we never split pages like this. can you please revert yourself and then we can discuss what gets moved where here. cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:36, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Yes - *entirely* agree w/ the comments of JorisvS & Cas Liber above - a prioritized listing of sub-topic articles might be a helpful start I would think - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 11:39, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Astredita, please take care not to revert my intervening edits when reverting this merge. --JorisvS (talk) 12:07, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

I've reverted the split. If there is to be no page 2 then I think the paragraphs on captured planets and galactic distribution of planets would be better in the main article than the exoplanet host stars article. Astredita (talk) 12:30, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Specific comments from Cas Liber[edit]

  • I'd try and cite all the sentences - then figure out what needs removing. It is difficult at first glance....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:06, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
  • The Habitable zone section has some references in the text, which should be reviewed and reworked to support text or removed.
  • Prose is generally written in paragraphs. try and meld sentences into paras, especiallt standalone ones.
  • Atmosphere doesn't need to be chopped into subsections.
  • I'd cull any external link that doesn't specifically add something not covered in the article (e.g. videos, images we can't use due to copyright etc..)
Material should not be removed for the sake of removing material, or merged for the sake of merging. The organization of the article should follow the logic of the topics, and not be arranged to meet quotas on paragraph length. Despite reverting the split to page 2 the article is already shorter than it was a couple of days ago due to material being moved to Exoplanet host stars, Planetary system and Methods of detecting exoplanets. Astredita (talk) 14:08, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
That move of material to those article is the way to reduce overly long articles. The atmosphere section needs to summarize the most important points made and the rest of the material can go to a section on the Atmosphere article and be expanded there. I've moved the Venus zone section to planetary system, where it is more appropriate. The many items of further reading can best be used to support material here or, more likely, in specific articles on suptopics and then be removed. --JorisvS (talk) 15:45, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Mixed use of numerical suffixes ("Jupiter masses" vs. MJ)[edit]

Blockquote cut from my talk page:
(for the summary, see the first unindented paragraph below, beginning with "The relevant section is Exoplanet#Alternatives [...]")

I've reverted your recent edits to Exoplanet. They obfuscated the text and disrupted the flow of prose. I see you're adding these templates to all articles. I can't check whether all those articles have similarly disrupted text. Is there some talk page where these changes were discussed beforehand?

For example you changed "For colder gas planets there is a maximum radius which is slightly larger than Jupiter which occurs when the mass reaches a few Jupiter-masses."

to

"For colder gas planets there is a maximum radius which is slightly larger than Jupiter which occurs when the mass reaches a few MJ".

Replacing text prose with a symbol does not make things clearer.

You also inserted an unnecessary MJ into the middle of the sentence "The most massive planet listed on the NASA Exoplanet Archive is DENIS-P J082303.1-491201 b, about 29 times the mass of Jupiter, although according to most definitions of a planet, it is too massive to be a planet and may be a brown dwarf instead."

These templates also make the text harder to read when editing.Astredita (talk) 09:44, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Astredita, yup this example ("when the mass reaches a few MJ") does interfere, sorry for that. I'm just standardizing usage of common solar system units via their templates (i.e. {{Jupiter mass}}, after introducing them in the next) when numerical values are used, similar to any document which refers to frequently used text, be it acronyms or standard units. To see why, see the now-existing instances of "13MJup" and "1 MJup" in the article you reverted back to, which used to read "13 MJ" and "1 MJ". Also, the "unnecessary" MJ in the middle of the sentence about DENIS-P J082303.1-491201 b is the introduction of the symbol in the text and is required.
I definitely don't intend to interfere with the flow of the text, but I don't agree that my edits warrant a full-on revert, since the rest of the MJ instances are well-placed, imo. Instead, please only remove the cases you don't agree with, or revert back to mine and I can do it?   ~ Tom.Reding (talk|contribs|dgaf) 10:48, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Those were not the only examples. I completely disagree with automatically replacing text such as earth radius, earth mass, etc with symbols. Astredita (talk) 11:29, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
No, not automatically (those weren't automated edits btw), only when preceded by numerical values. What's your stance on that? If no, I'd like to move this to the talk page to gauge consensus. If yes, since you've made subsequent edits to Exoplanet, I'll re-introduce my edits (more carefully this time) and you can vet.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk|contribs|dgaf) 11:40, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Automatic in practice, if not by bot: You replaced text in the title of the paper "Kepler-62: A five-planet system with planets of 1.4 and 1.6 Earth radii in the Habitable Zone".
Whether you prefer symbols or not, titles of references should not be changed.
In the sentence "Kepler-186f is the first Earth-sized planet in a habitable zone to have been discovered, a 1.1 Earth radius planet in the habitable zone of a red dwarf, announced in April 2014." there was no benefit in replacing the text with a symbol and no reason to force the reader to guess what was meant when "Earth radius" is just fine and easy to understand. Astredita (talk) 14:15, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Titles shouldn't be changed,[my bad] I agree. I don't agree that persistent use of "Earth radius", "Jupiter radii", "Jupiter masses", "Solar masses", "Solar luminosities", etc. lead to a better reading article. In my opinion, they lead to a slower, protracted read. I'll concede excessive use on Exoplanet, but I'd still like to see where consensus lies, so I'll put up a new section in Talk:Exoplanet in the near future. I might link back to our talk or I might just start with your last paragraph, since that seems to be the concise main issue and hits the nail on the head.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk|contribs|dgaf) 15:02, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Talk:Exoplanet#Mixed use of numerical suffixes posted. No link to here; I decided to make the focus Exoplanet#Alternatives since that section happens to put our discussion in a nutshell :)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk|contribs|dgaf) 16:11, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

The relevant section is Exoplanet#Alternatives, where "13 Jupiter-mass", "25 Jupiter masses", and "13 MJup" are all used in no particular order. I'm trying to find consensus on which numerical suffix to use, after the symbol MJup (or MJ, which is more common, and easily changed in the {{Jupiter mass}} template) is defined in the text. Is there a benefit in replacing the text with a symbol, or is there no reason to force the reader to 'guess' what is meant by the symbol when (if) "Jupiter masses" is just fine and easy to understand? To me, using English language persistently leads to a slower, protracted read and does not benefit the article nor the reader, especially if the symbol(s) are wikilinked and properly defined.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk|contribs|dgaf) 16:02, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

A good example is when the word "mass", "luminosity", "radius", etc. are used excessively in a sentence where a numerical value is given. A symbol would remove redundancy and wordiness, like:

  • blah has a mass of 30 Jupiter masses
blah has a mass of 30 MJ
  • "Neptune's mass equals 17 Earth masses, Jupiter has 318 Earth masses, and the 13 Jupiter-mass limit used in the IAU's working definition of an exoplanet equals approximately 4000 Earth masses."
"Neptune's mass equals 17 M, Jupiter has 318 M, and the 13 Jupiter-mass limit used in the IAU's working definition of an exoplanet equals approximately 4000 M."

While "the 13 Jupiter-mass limit" is better left as-is.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk|contribs|dgaf) 15:28, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Since this affects more than just the Exoplanet article, I've posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomy#Replacing "Earth mass", "Jupiter mass", "Solar mass" etc with symbols. Astredita (talk) 13:36, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
The discussion that was here has been moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomy#Replacing "Earth mass", "Jupiter mass", "Solar mass" etc with symbols. Please continue the discussion on that page.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk|contribs|dgaf) 13:39, 18 December 2014 (UTC)