Talk:F. W. Murnau
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A nice way to smear a man is to report rumors about him. Who was in the car observing Murnau before he died? The homosexual interest group had to include their little piece of gossip in order to have it appear that their preferred behavior is widespread and acceptable.Lestrade 12:39, 29 June 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
- "The homosexual interest group"? Damn, why don't I ever get invited to these things?
- The article does state the verifiable facts: he did die in a car accident and Stevenson was driving the car. It also states the widely circulated rumor about what caused the accident, but does note quite clearly that it is only a rumor and gives its source as Hollywood Babylon. There's no support for the claim and it's surely false, but it is well known and has become part of the Murnau myth.
- Or are you going further than that and saying that merely insinuating he was gay is a smear? But Murnau was gay. It was a well-kept secret in Hollywood, but then again, he wasn't in Hollywood very long. Back in Germany, it was widely known. Comparatively speaking, Wiemar Germany was a pretty good time and place to be out, as is evident from the numerous openly gay-themed films to come from it (Different From the Others, Michael, Pandora's Box, Sex in Chains, Diary of a Lost Girl, etc), and Murnau was known to mix in the various gay theatrical circles there. Murnau's own films, while by no means explicit, have the running theme of forbidden and ill-fated love. This isn't an example of revisionist history and certainly isn't a "smear". --Franz 13:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- It is already stated in the article elsewhere that Murnau was Homosexual. But the death section is straight up offensive to homosexuals and heterosexuals alike. It blames his death on being homosexual (which is persecutory, and a form of victim blaming)instead of being in an automobile accident. Hairpin78 (talk) 15:51, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
So would the events leading up to the death be relevant (and non victim blamey) if it had been a woman giving head to a man? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 08:23, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
remove that gossip
Why is that stupid gossip still in the page? The book where you can find that "information" is full of stupid rumors and legends. Murnau is one of the most important film director of all times, who don't deserves this treatment. The sexuality of this person is not important, we can write a lot about murnau's filmography but someone thinks that his sexual life is more important. This page offends not only murnau, but wikipedia.
There isn't a logical and plausible way to demonstrate that Murnau was doing a fellatio on the car driver, this rumor probably born from the ancient (stupid and racist) mentality that all gay people are pedophilians. So i remove it.
The New York Times article (mar 12, 1931) clearly states that only Murnau was killed in this accident. His valet, Garcia Stevenson, identified in the article as E. Garcia, did NOT die.
"In films prior to The Last Laugh the camera was used solely as a stationary device, this feature was the first to incorporate techniques that involved camera movement, such as tracking shots, pans, tilts, and zooms." -- Anyone who has seen more than a few silent films knows that this is nonsense. All of these techniques were used well before TLL, tracking being particularly common. What makes TLL unique is the very advanced use of the techniques throughout the film, often to marked psychological effect.
Not very balanced
The third paragraph of the 'German Films' section sounds like it was copied from the back of the DVD box. I think that it is too positive, words like carefully composed and innovative and memorable performance are not objective, but too biased. Anyone agree it needs fixing? Benbenthehen (talk) 13:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)