Talk:Factions in the Democratic Party (United States)
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African Americans as a "faction"
Should there be a separate subsection for what is identified in the main Democratic Party article (under "ideology and voter base") as the "African American wing"? I realize that in fact there are certainly African Americans who participate in all of the other listed factions. But there are also some uniquely African American institutions in the party such as the Congressional Black Caucus which I think could be addressed here. Robbie dee 18:09, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
On the equivalent Factions in the Republican Party (United States) page, the conservative faction of the GOP and the explanations of it's subfactions are put first, with the "moderates and liberals" faction/subfactions explanation below. This is because the conservatives dominate the GOP in terms of numbers, influence and national agenda, while the moderates/liberals/libertarians/log cabins are clear minorities.
Therefore, shouldn't this page be grouped in a similar way? The listing of the factions on this page doesn't really reference to the relative influence of the factions within the party. The liberal wing should be at the top, with the subgroups (liberals, progressives and maybe unions) explained. Then the moderates and conservatives should be under another heading lower down (with the centrist, conservative and libertarian subgroups explained.) And then the overarching ethnic minority heading could be below that. It would just be clearer, and more in line with the other article. EJB341 19:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
What is the supposed difference between "liberal" and "progressive" Democrats? Those two terms are basically synonymous and the faction descriptions don't outline a clear difference either. The only difference in practice tends to be that "liberal" is what Republicans call Dems to criticize them and "progressive" is the phrase Democrats now use to avoid being labelled "liberal." I would propose merging the two faction descriptions. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 20:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
"Dixiecrat" not equal to "conservative"
Dixiecratism is left-wing populism. Conservatism is anti-populist. To confuse the terms simply because the South has trended Republican, which is absolutely not to be taken as evidence of conservatism, is an error due to lack of sufficient background in political thought.
- Dixiecrat left-wing?! That would need hard sources. As far as I know it was a far-right movement (even if poor people (white) also supported it). Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 12:34, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
"Factions" of the party or "supporters of the party"?
To me, this article is just a list of groups which usually vote for the Democrats. I would expect an article about "factions" to be about groups within the party which are antagonistic to each other. However, most of the "factions" listed here have the same goals, or have goals which are more or less irrelavent to/not antagonistic with the goals of other groups. For example, is there ever a dispute between the "labor" faction and the "native american" faction? If there was, what would they argue about?
I think it would be more instructive to list controversies within the Democratic party and their opposing sides, rather than insist on the fiction that everyone in the party belongs to a homogenous "faction" (and then make it all wishy-washy by talking about "overlap").
Perhaps someone who knows more about the democrats than me will lend a hand? If not, then I'll have a crack at it myself, as long as I get some response/indictation that someone isn't going to revert all my hard work. BillMasen (talk) 06:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Is this right?
Their concerns regarding social justice, welfare, universal health care, education and foreign aid are more in line with the Democratic economic agenda than the laissez-faire economic approach of the Republicans. Their social views of capital punishment, defense and militarism, civil rights and equality are also left-wing.
It would seem like the article is goung to say that they lean right on the remaining issues, but...
So what's non mainstream Democratic about them? If I'm getting this right, they seem to be 100% normal Democrats that believe in the parts of religion that don't contradict their party.
I have the suspicion that the paragraph was ment to say:
Their concerns regarding social justice, welfare, universal health care, education and foreign aid are more in line with the Democratic economic agenda than the laissez-faire economic approach of the Republicans. Their social views of capital punishment, defense and militarism, civil rights and equality are also left-wing. On moral issues such as abortion, euthanasia and homosexuality, "they commonly lean towards right wing."
or at least "[...] and homosexuality, they might lean either way."
Some demographics that give an idea of the relative size/overlap of the various camps would be helpful. Also it would be nice if this was broken down by age and region. In addition what organizations within the party are most strongly affiliated with each of these groups. Pie-charts, bar-graphs, and maps would be the clearest way to present this information. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 06:55, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Religious left revisited
This section of the article piped the term religious left to the article christian left. It's disingenuous at best, as if the only religious liberals in America are christian. Let's accurately represent the article to which we are linking, and not obfuscate it by trying to throw a veneer of inclusiveness which is not reflected in the target article.--Vidkun (talk) 22:12, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
I recently added the Secular section to the left-wing to show the Democratic Party's support from the atheist and secular community, but I was also considering adding a "By issue" section to mirror the Factions in the Republican Party (United States) page. I was trying to be rather encompassing. I didn't want to list everything in the platform such as gay rights, this-or-that, but would it be fair to have subsections titled, "CIVIL RIGHTS," "ENVIRONMENTALISM," "ATTITUDES TOWARDS WAR," and "PUBLIC EDUCATION." I'm sure more could be added, but those are the ones that stick out to me as the most encompassing topics that align themselves with the Democratic platform. (Tigerghost (talk) 17:35, 27 January 2012 (UTC))
Its been pretty obvious that environmentalists are a decent party of the Democratic Party, particularly the left wing of the party. If someone wanted to add this in similar to the "secular" section that would be good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blondeguynative (talk • contribs) 07:01, 2 November 2013 (UTC)