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iTunes 8.1.1 and Requiem 1.8.8[edit]

Requiem 1.8.8 appears to work with iTunes 8.1.1. I've updated the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zerocool3001 (talkcontribs) 05:08, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Veridisc 'rumoured' to have created FairPlay[edit]

For some reason, there are a bunch of references to Veridisc's FairPlay technology as 'possibly' having been made by them. If you go to their website, there are about a billion mentions of FairPlay everywhere you look. Maybe this was true in the past, but definitely not now, so I've scrubbed the ambiguousness of these claims.

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Re-encoding AAC[edit]

It has been suggested on the article page that re-encoding from a CD using AAC will yield a file with the same sound quality as the original. I've googled around on this and found nothing to suggest this is the case. On the contrary:

http://hymn-project.org/jhymndoc/jhymn_faq.php#rip

If anyone feels the need to revert my edit, please cite something beyond wild fantasy or "AAC is full quality, duh :-)"

Cheers, Chris 12:03, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

I back you up 100% on this, whoever wrote that is deluded or misinformed. I think your changes are fine. Graham 00:19, 16 September 2005 (UTC)


I'm one can avoid most of the loss of quality on reencoding by using a higher bit rate than the original file (assuming the same quality of encoder). But I don't see any mention of what bitrates ipods support (if there is any limitations).

Video FairPlay[edit]

This article should be updated with information regarding the new FairPlay for video.

PlayFair should be its own article[edit]

The PlayFair disambig page wikilinks to the FairPlay article which can be confusing, though there is a blurb on PlayFair at the bottom of FairPlay. In addition to the synopsis there I think PlayFair should get its own article. What do people think? zen master T 00:33, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Copying to CD and the DMCA[edit]

If it is being done with a utility provided by Apple then there is no circumvention.

But is then reconverting it to a non-CD, non-DRMed copy then circumventing it? It may sound absurd to say "yes", but I'd almost think that there's a case to be made there. Phil Urich 10:00, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
No. There's no case to be made, because the DRM has been removed in the first step, using a “device” provided by the vendor. Ajhoughton (talk) 17:44, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Harmony[edit]

I think this is a rather one-sided treatment, it makes it sound like Real had no popular support for their scheme when this wasn't true.

Regardless of what *some* people thought of the petition, others mocked Apple for their actions. There was an article in a well known paper (was it the WSJ? I forget) in which the author pointed out that Real was not "breaking into" anything except maybe the Jobsian platonic ideal of the iPod.

If u burn an AAC to a stadnard audio CD can u repid into MP3? Thats what I do w/ my real audio files, I have the free real palyer which doesnt let u convert, but I can burn to a CD and then rip the track into a better audio format! RealG187 18:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, you can. Ajhoughton (talk) 17:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

VLC and FairPlay protected files?[edit]

This article claims that VLC can play iTunes protected files, while trying it on my own computer yeilds no results. I also haven't seen any mention of this on the VLC website. Any reference? - Josh 00:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC) http://boingboing.net/2004/03/26/dvd-jon-on-vlc-and-a.html

Cracking???[edit]

I believe the term "cracking" is inaccurate to describe a reverse-engineering process. The latter is perfectly legal, unlike the former. In my opinion, the BBC article cited as source is inaccurate itself. 25 October, GMT+1 20.04

Cracking expanded[edit]

I, and perhaps others as well, would like to know to get around these DRM's (or if its not possible, you could say so, too). But has anyone ever assessed whether the DRM *might* be unduly restricting other legal uses of the files? - Josh

iTunes 8 and Requiem[edit]

Since new 'big number' versions of iTunes are usually when FairPlay gets changed, the section on Requiem needs to be updated with whether iTunes 8 affects it or not. Cynical (talk) 18:06, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

done. the freenode page has been updated with a note about itunes 8, so i don't even have to rely on my "original research" :) PeterWoodman (talk) 18:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Should the FreeNet url for Requiem be included in this article? freenet:USK@GSQgFDoeQUG0cSkbUVYYkB-ssqEEavRdo-RDVEAm0jk,rVvV3LjSZq3UNdGJrrup~~ZBPq4ohBhJeKkREXDLULw,AQACAAE/requiem/-1/

207.62.155.78 (talk) 09:02, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

iTunesDB hash takedown[edit]

Apple have sent a DMCA takedown notice claiming reverse-engineering the latest version of the iTunesDB hash is circumventing FairPlay. TRS-80 (talk) 05:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

It should also be noted that after the EFF were involved in the defence, Apple retreated. 203.129.33.32 (talk) 04:02, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Linking to Requiem torrent[edit]

There should not be any links to torrents of any type, nor to Requiem, as it violates WP:ELNO and WP:RS and could render Wikimedia liable to a lawsuit for encouraging or facilitating the violation of copyright. Stifle (talk) 10:26, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Requiem itself is not a copyrighted technology. The ENLO only recommends against linking to external pages that directly contain copyrighted material for which the site does not have a license. There is no prohibition on linking to sites that "encourage or facilitate violation of copyright". Also, Requiem itself has not been legally demonstrated to be illegal or a tool designed solely to infringe copyright. It is exists on tor (and torrent) sites simply due to a cease and desist letter sent to the original site by Apple. Until it is demonstrated to be solely for the purpose of violating copyright it can remain as a legitimate link.--66.121.140.72 (talk) 21:35, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Article too audio-specific[edit]

My understanding is that FairPlay is a general purpose DRM format; for example, Apple is currently using it to encrypt eBooks purchased through the iTunes Store. Someone more knowledgeable than me needs to find references and add info or edit this article to remove the music-centric focus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.98.79 (talk) 20:05, 17 May 2011 (UTC)