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I have replaced the quote regarding Islamofascism with the quote from George Orwell, because the Islamofascism quote belongs on (and is duplicated on) that page. ElKabong
mummmummmuummmuuum It seems to me that there is a definite bias in this page against the right wing view point. There is also the line "Thus with both Bush and Clinton labeled fascists, Orwell's 1944 observation was alive and well." This is not a quote. It is not a fact. It is simply an opinion.
I would like the opinion of others before any action is taken.Bengaska 03:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed that line ill-considered. Instead moved existing quote up to serve same purpose. Also made various other improvements. If you still think not neutral, please be specific with what exactly you object to. 22.214.171.124 12:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
The previous statement on use of "fascism" or "fascist-pig" as epithets in the 1960s was POV and propagandistic. The idea that anyone who believed in "ordered social discourse" was labelled a fascist is untrue - many liberals, communists and even anarchists believe in some kind of social order, but would not necessarily be included in this label. The specific actions which would classify someone as a "fascist-pig" would typically be those associated with extra-liberal repression such as the police violence seen at Kent State, Chicago and so on - somebody like Mayor Daley would be called a "fascist" because he violated what others took to be the right to protest, and thus shown himself to be authoritarian, intolerant and chauvinistic. The implication of the statement is that the kinds of repression carried out by the likes of Daley can simply be typified as a preference for "orderly discourse" rather than as authoritarianism or as the "intolerance, chauvinism" etc discussed at the top of the article. I have thus changed the article to be more precise.
I've also added some material explaining the possible analytical basis for the rhetorical use of "fascist" to refer to authoritarian, intolerant and chauvinistic people and institutions.
- (The above unsigned shows to have been written by 126.96.36.199 on 30 October 2006) (please sign your edits!) --Treekids (talk) 00:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Use by Russia and Soviet Union
Should the Soviet/Russian habit of accusing people and governments of fascism when they don't agree with Kremlin's point of view on history or current politics be mentioned here? Examples: soviets called anti-soviet partisans of Baltic states and Ukraine fascist This article is a good example: Anti-Estonian sentiment. --Kyng (talk) 10:53, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I think the article also needs a mention of wartime usage by the Soviets, supposedly they are the ones who created the broad popular (mis)usage of "fascist" as an epithet for authoritarianism because they didn't want to label their enemies as Nazis (which is derived from National Socialist and thus sounds too similar to Soviet Socialist) or German (they didn't want to label the war as based on nationalism, in any case over a dozen nations contribued at least a thousand or more men to the Axis cause [in some cases a quarter to half a million men], and almost half the Red Army was non-Russian, making that perspective also senseless). I don't have even recollection where I read this, otherwise I would add the citations. (This is also why Bolshevik wartime posters used the term "Hitlerite"; they needed to get creative with their terminology but obviously this epithet had a much more limited usage especially once the war ended and Hitler was dead.) P.S. The Soviet usage became popularized in the West because Western intellectual elites uncritically adopted its usage in an effort to seem politically sophisticated. Historian932 (talk) 14:01, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I looked at this page to see whether it would be appropriate to use the term 'fascist' to describe the X (chi) organisation of Greece, whose raison d'etre was anticommunism, and modus operandi violence. Instead I get a whole lot of bleating about how the term 'fascist' is used inappropriately/unfairly, and no serious guidelines about when it should be used, in a a wider sense rather than just being applied to Italians with bundles of sticks (fasces). Bougatsa42 (talk) 07:19, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
indeed useless - at this phase, as it is really start level
It could be helpful to define "fascist" as an attitude of someone who uses (is going to use) power in a violent, antidemocratic way, opposed to rule of law, transparency and accountability. It seems, that the "modus operandi: violence" is the centerpiece of something being eligible to be called fascist. This makes one time "existing communism/socialism", also known as soviet-type government one of the examples, which may be confusing given that the soviet-communist (I mean by that not just Russia, rather all existing/once existed) socialist-communist governments/parties/ideologies hold "antifascism" among their core values, however this rhetoric does not prevent them from using very similar (e.g.: fascist) way of ruling once they get power. Basically all kinds of dicatatorships that rely on violence at will as opposed to rule of law and transparency and accountability seem to be more or less fascistic. That said, i agree with Bougatsa that the article at its present state gives hardly any guidence on the definition of the word, but what he was looking for might be here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism Then again, Fascism as an insult-word would deserve a paragraph on the typical use of the word by (or inside) the soviet-type regimes, as connected to the use of the heroic story of sacrifice accomplished by the Soviet Union during the second world war (fighting the then nazi Germany) and these regimes being tied ideologically (and in most cases also economically and in a military and political sense as well) to the Soviet Union.