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"ramadan" health benefits do not seem probable[edit]

they avoid eating in the daytime, but they eat all they wish after the sun sets, until dawn. frankly, this does not even appear to be fasting, but merely a "reversed time" eating system. the effects on the body should be similar to daytime eating, or worse due to the sudden consumption of large meals.

http://news.yahoo.com/skipping-breakfast-may-increase-heart-attack-risk-210037837.html

1. This is not a forum 2. The study above is epidemiological, correlational (i.e. unusable garbage). 3. There have been quite a few Ramadan studies, the bulk of them pointing at improved blood lipid profiles and other measurements, although the quality of most of these studies is questionable, of course. There was a meta-study of Ramadan studies - if anyone can recall the title or the author's name, perhaps we could incorporate it into the article instead of dealing with numerous Ramadan studies separately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.124.196.115 (talk) 03:23, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

The study on habitually skipping breakfast (scientific journal cite in a later section) is not directly applicable to fasting in general, and is of very doubtful applicability to the Ramadan fast, since in Ramadan one commonly arises well before dawn so as to pray, then to eat a substantial breakfast, all before sunrise, and from there to either continue with the day or go back to bed for some additional sleep. Nonetheless, a number of studies have found that the Ramadan daylight fast does indeed improve cholesterol profiles.Ocdnctx (talk) 17:24, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Added clarification of nature of Ramadan fast into article, lest some soul think it means a 40-day and 40-night fast would be safe, based on a misunderstanding of Ramadan. Ocdnctx (talk) 16:53, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Article is too long. Carve out new separate article on fasting in various religions[edit]

The comparative religion stuff is fascinating, but of limited use to one interested in the other parts of the article (e.g., recent reliable research on what fasting practices are safe and beneficial).

The medical part of the article seems seriously underdeveloped.

New general "Fasting" article should include a short summary section to the effect that fasting has long been a part of many religious traditions, with a pointer to the separate comparative religion, article with a title such as, e.g.,

Fasting for religious purposes

Eating breakfast was associated with significantly lower CHD risk in a cohort of male health professionals.[edit]

A medical citation for the above breakfast-eating article is

Cahill et al.

Prospective Study of Breakfast Eating and Incident Coronary Heart Disease in a Cohort of Male US Health Professionals

Circulation. 2013; 128: 337-343

doi: 10.1161/​CIRCULATIONAHA.113.001474

Full free text

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/128/4/337.full

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/128/4/337.short?rss=1

Complications[edit]

The article begins with some general definitions of fasts taken from a physiological perspective. Each definition includes a time frame that helps distinguish one from another (e.g. overnight, 3-5 hours, 8-12 hours, 8-72 hours.) The next part of the article under the subtitle 'complications' is referencing a kind of prolonged fasting that isn't covered in the introduction. This kind of fasting is being called 'fast-induced starvation', which, according to the reference cited to substantiate that cardiac arrhythmias can occur during 'fast-induced starvation', takes place over an interval 20 times longer than the longest lapse mentioned in the introduction. The discrepancy between the initial definitions and the subsequent section are significant enough to cause confusion in the reader, as they are addressing two different things entirely. I am suggesting that either the term 'fast-induced starvation' be placed in the introduction with an explanation of what it is, with an appropriate time frame associated with it (the only cited study suggests 2-8 months) and be given its own list of 'complications' or that the leading paragraph of the section 'complications' be removed from the article entirely.

This section is confusing fasting with malnutrition. The cited reference is a study of a diet. The following are the opening sentences of the wikipedia article on malnutrition,

'Malnutrition is the condition that results from eating a diet in which certain nutrients are lacking, in excess (too high in intake), or in the wrong proportions.[1][2] The verb form is "malnourish"; "malnourishment" is sometimes used instead of "malnutrition". A number of different nutrition disorders may arise, depending on which nutrients are under- or over-abundant in the diet....In wealthier nations it is more likely to be caused by unhealthy diets with excess energy, fats, and refined carbohydrates. A growing trend of obesity is now a major public health concern in lower socio-economic levels and in developing countries as well.[5]'

The opening paragraph in 'complications' could serve better in the general article of 'malnutrition'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamshoe (talkcontribs) 06:48, 23 April 2014 (UTC)