Talk:Father Le Loutre's War

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The tone is biased[edit]

The tone of this article is so biased against Acadians and Natives. It sounds that Nova Scotians want to justify the past ethnic and religious cleansings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.176.120.156 (talk) 06:17, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

The article includes the documented warfare that happened on both sides during this time period. By doing this, the article supports Acadians and Natives. Contrary to most accounts, the article renders visible Acadian and natives' resistance to the British Empire, Acadians and natives stood up for themselves and what they believed in, they were not simply weak, powerless, passive victims as they are often portrayed. Nova Scotians can be proud of this resistance. --Hantsheroes (talk) 09:49, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Bullshit. The article and its companion about the Rasle War present only attacks on British civilians and do not take into accounts any of the British sponsored raids on the French and Native sides in Maine/New Brunswick in past war. Nova Scotia belonged then to Mi'kmaq nation but UK broke a treaty with settlers that were to be used as local militia. All your sources are based on British documents that are themselves biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.176.120.156 (talk) 22:40, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I have included all the published warfare I have access to from this war. I would be excited to find more leads to published work to which you are referring. To suggest that the article is bias against the Mi'kmaq and Acadians, however, infers they were doing something wrong by fighting back when they were not. Mi'kmaq and Acadians used standard colonial warfare to protect their land, families and way of life. And so they should have. Again, as a Maritimer, I am proud of the resistance the Mi'kmaq and Acadians made against the British Empire. The evidence here shows how powerful the resistance was in thwarting British plans to settle protestants throughout Nova Scotia. I think it is quite impressive. Regardless, I have documented everything in the souces I have. If you have others, please add them. --Hantsheroes (talk) 01:09, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Name of wars[edit]

I'm just wondering which source(s) call it "Father Le Loutre's War"; I have never seen these skirmishes collected in this way before. Can you give page references, please. Verne Equinox (talk) 18:22, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

John Grenier puts forward the "Father Le Loutre's War" frame on these series of conflicts in his books The Far Reaches of Empire: War in Nova Scotia 1710-1760 (University of Oklahoma Press, 2008) and The first way of war: American war making on the frontier, 1607-1814 (Cambridge University Press, 2005). He outlines his rational for naming these conflicts as Father Le Loutre's War. Do you think I need to be more explicit about these references in the article? --Hantsheroes (talk) 00:40, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Very much so (the references). It is a helpful concept, but is is new. There aren't too many commoners with wars named after them! I think you also need to say something about Le Loutre himself and his motivations, such as we understood them. Presumably Grenier has something on this. I also note that your article on Le Loutre no few references for Le Loutre' bio. You should add them, including page refs. FYI, there is a coding trick in Wikipedia that allows you to provide inline page refs. It is this templeate: :p.xyz that you place immediately after the "ref" as in this example. Verne Equinox (talk) 22:25, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


Tell me, why did you name it Father Le Loutre's War and not the Anglo-Mi'kmaq War? Furthermore, why Father Rale's War, and not the Anglo-Wabanaki War? The two priests were not part of all the conflicts involving the Abenakis and the Mi'kmaqs against the English colonists? Le Loutre was twice captured by the English and was not in Acadia for at least two years. Father Rale or Rasle, was also not involved in all the Abenaki retaliations.--Donnacona (talk) 15:33, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Historian John Grenier (See "The First Way of War" and "War in Nova Scotia") has named these two wars Father Rale's War and Father Le Loutre's War. I think no lable fits these conflicts perfectly. I appreciate that Grenier used the parrallel naming of these wars because they underscore the alliance between the French priests and wabanaki confederacy. While the confederacy was often alone on the frontline, the firepower/ resources/ trade to withstand 75 years of regular warfare with the British Empire was provided substantially by the French through the priests.--Hantsheroes (talk) 16:01, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me this! I did not realize the full importance of the French priests, although Father Rale only built two churches and kept up the mission at Penobscot, his involvement was much less than Father Le Loutre and he met a horrible death.--Donnacona (talk) 17:56, 24 July 2012 (UTC)