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[edit] Scope of page

This page was deleted previously and redirected to Pater Patriae, because it had filled up with a lot of dubious claims. It's easy to find a blog, or even a reputable historian, arguing that person X is the "father of" country Y. That is not sufficient proof for listing person X on this page, because one person's opinion is not encyclopaedic. What is needed is the claim that, within a country, person X is widely regarded or officially designated as "father of the nation". In other words, if you were to go to country Y, and ask a few people on the street "Who is 'the father of the nation'?" most of the people would not hesitate to answer person X.

There might in principle be up to three subsections:

people popularly/officially called "father of the nation" or similar, recognised in a non-partisan way (e.g. Gandhi, maybe Kenyatta)
monarchies etc. where "father of the nation" is part of the traditional honorific for whoever the current incumbent is (e.g. maybe Thailand, Cambodia)
current and past dictators who have called themselves "father of the nation", where the appellation does not have any support outside their regime. (e.g. Mobutu, maybe Arap Moi)

I don't know, for example, whether modern Russians recognise Peter the Great as "Father of the Nation": the current citation is historic only. jnestorius^(talk) 00:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Napoleon?

See page 34 of his Correspondances of 26 mars 1815: "...le nom de Pere de la Patria.... Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 05:12, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Usage

What does last sentence of this section mean?
"...while in others it is codified into constitutional law as in Spain, where the monarch is considered the personification 2007.
Should this be "was considered" - as Spain is now a democracy. What does "2007" refer to? Also the reference 2 at end of this line relates to a Slovak item, not to Spain. Tiddy (talk) 01:14, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Father of the Nation

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[edit] Napoleon?

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