Talk:Federal Protective Service (United States)

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POLICE logos[edit]

Does anyone have info on when they started adding POLICE on badges cars and uniforms? If so this needs to be added.Sattmaster (talk) 23:26, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Everyone needs to stop using "Federally Owned"[edit]

Throughout Wikipedia the terminology "Federally Owned" needs to be rightfully replaced with PUBLICLY OWNED as the Federal Government does not own anything, everything they have is held in trust for the American citizens. Whether it is land, buildings, vehicles, Social Security funds, etc., they own nothing. This is a slippery slope our society has been following, words have distinct meaning and a lot more care should be shown as to that meaning. This is obviously not the place to discuss Constitutional Law, but it might be beneficial if people find out what the difference is between a Representative Republic (American form of governance) versus Fascism (where we are headed), Socialism, and the like.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.96.148.116 (talk) 15:53, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

  • FPS only operates on GSA owned or leased property. A "public building," as you call it, could be one that is operated by a state, locality, tribe, etc. While I understand what it is you're trying to get at, the "Federally Owned" terminology is appropriate in this context.72.66.7.173 (talk) 01:53, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

This is not the place to grind your ax[edit]

Please refrain from adding political diatribe to advance your own particular agenda.

"Federal Protective Service is an "incestuous nest of corruption" after officers Peter Taoy and John Haire, as well as supervisor Charles H. Jackson were all convicted in 2005 in the U.S. District Court for the District of Northern California of fabricating incident reports to cover-up their mistreatment of a motorist. They are serving 12-18 month prison terms. Current FPS Administrator Wendell Shingler has refused to take any corrective action against similar incidents by Federal Protective Service officer Louis Mount in Maryland."

"The belligerence and harassment the Federal Protective Service is known for within this job description is second to none other. The FPS is also thought of poorly among the law enforcement community for harassing other local law enforcement officers who enter federal facilities on official business. Local law enforcement officers are asked to leave their loaded weapons in their patrol cars before entering government buildings secured by FPS. FPS has been asked to cooperate with other agencies and stop causing trouble but has thus far in various regions been non compliant."

Would these passages appear in the Encyclopedia Brittanica? Of course not. They do not belong here, either. Statements of opinion, whether or not you have media references, are not acceptable. This is getting ridiculous. Please refer to the Wikipedia editing policies if you can't understand this. "Anyone is welcome to add information, cross-references or citations, as long as they do so within Wikipedia's editing policies and to an appropriate standard."

FPS police are not "federal law enforcement" in that they are in the low paying GS 5-7 range (trainee special agent range) and are not a part of the "6c "law enforcement" retirement program the last time I checked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.135.76.206 (talk) 19:39, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

capitalization of Federal?[edit]

Since when is Federal always capitalized? Unless this is part of the title of something, I don't see it as necessary.

  • it's official title is "the Office of the Federal Protective Service".--Tombombadil 17:07, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

But you don't capitalize "federal" when it's not part of a title. Ex:

"which provides security police services to U.S. Federal buildings"

"on and off of Federal property."

"assigned to protect Federal buildings."

These should all be lowercase.

I concur. The only people who capitalize the word in those contexts are federal employees writing official documents in their capacity as employees. But in non-government documents where it is not part of an agency name, "federal" is usually spelled in lowercase. It's like how the U.S. federal government consistently refers to itself in its own documents as the "U.S. Government" and calls its soldiers "Soldiers." Basically, context is important. --Coolcaesar 19:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

AGAIN - it's official title is "the Office of the Federal Protective Service".--Tomtom9041 (talk) 15:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Contradictory statements regarding police powers[edit]

From the article:

  • Its personnel have full police powers on and off of Federal property.
  • The Federal Protective Service does not have full police powers off federal property.
Which is it? heqs 09:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Both I would think. In terms that if something were to happen on federal property and it carries over onto non-federal land its still with in their realm of control. Though it should be changed to make this distinction. darthimpala 15:30, 3 July 2006 (EST)
  • Clarification of police authority
Under the General Services Administration FPS officers police authority was limited to federal property under Title 40 USC, section 318. With the move to Homeland and ICE both the limit of FPS police authority and the supporting US code were changed to reflect the agency's changing role. Under Title 40 USC, section 1315 (part of the Homeland security act of 2002) the agency was given full police powers on and off federal property as well as authority to enter into agreements with other federal and local law enforcement agencies to pursue non-federal criminal offenses. Souldrinker06 16:56, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Lets clear this up; FPS has only federal authority and state authority only if and when a state allows it. So stating they have "full police powers on and off federal property" is an untrue statement. If they try and act like a peace officer off federal property without a state granting authority to act as such, they are wrong. The DHS cannot give FPS cops authority to enforce general state laws and we both know this!

Also as a point of fact, all federal employees are "sworn" (take an oath) when they are hired.

If a FPS cop wants to be a real federal cop, become a 6C covered law enforcement agent! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.135.76.209 (talk) 05:02, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Why is the FPS part of the ICE?[edit]

This part of its job has nothing to do with immigration, customs or borders, so why is the ICE (instead of, say, the FBI, the US Marshals, or a specific agency) in charge of protecting federal buildings? Apokrif 21:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

IMHO the FPS should be merged with the not-so Secret Service, or vice versa. --Tomtom9041 (talk) 15:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


History lesson.

Originally FPS along with the Air Marshals, Marine and Air Interdiction Service, Detention and Removal (INS) and the Office of Investigation (INS/USCS) was place into the new Bureau of Interior Investigations and Enforcement (BIIE).

This was recognition from Congress that these separate law enforcement functions were more focused at the interior of the United States and not at the ports of entry. Soon the new bureau was to be called the Bureau of Investigations and Criminal Enforcement (BICE). This was a great idea, but was short lived due to political objections from the Department of Justice. The FBI did not want to have to compete with another "Bureau of Investigation." By 2005 both the Air Marshals and Marine and Air Interdiction had been moved to other branches within DHS, the Directorate of Border and Transportation Security had been abolished and with the stroke of a pen ICE was known as Immigration and Customs Enforcement forever changing the nature, ideology and agency culture.

As to the consolidation of like services... All of the federal law enforcement agencies involved in the protection of our nations lands, properties, cultural and natural resources should be combined into one agency with two major divisions. One division should be for the protection of federal facilities and campuses and the other should be for the protection of cultural and natural resources. The exceptions to the consolidation should be the Secret Service, the U.S. Capitol Police, and the Supreme Court of the United States Police due to their politically sensitive missions of protecting the branches of our government. Along with these exceptions the FBI should remain separate to provide an independent investigations agency, as should the Offices of the Inspectors General for the various agencies. The Pentagon and the several intelligence agencies should also maintain a separate policing presence. This is due to the specific needs of these agencies and their properties.

All of the other Executive Branch agencies should consolidate their protection/enforcement/investigations components into one. The elimination of duplicate services and management structures would provide a good basis for the reorganization. Additional benefits would include the consolidation of HR and IRM resources, communications and equipment procurement. Possibly even structuring the agency on a NIMS model to provide for flexibility and rapid response to incidents, as well as information sharing and intelligence development and distribution.

Unfortunately the political turf and roadblocks within the government would create an impossible situation to actually implement this whole idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.28.35.8 (talk) 02:55, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Image:FPS officer in assault gear with shotgun.jpg[edit]

What's wrong with this? Mallerd (talk) 18:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Is anyone opposed to deleting the last line under criticisms?[edit]

This line: "Former FPS Administrator Wendell Shingler has allegedly refused to take any corrective action against similar incidents by FPS Police officer Louis Mount in Maryland." makes the assumption that corrective action should be taken. Shingler sued the FPS officers in question, and the angency as well. A district federal court tossed all the claims.

https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2006cv0118-15

Libertylogic (talk) 04:42, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

History[edit]

The entire history section is entirely unsourced —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.79.168.212 (talk) 13:27, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

shhoting of frderal potective service officer[edit]

trying to find out if a federal protective officer by the name of tom rutherford was shot and wounded in the 70s if so i would like history

Detractors?[edit]

I just took this out of the header.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be there, but it needs cites and careful re-write to make it more encyclopedic. I would do this but I don't have the patience.

<Snip>

A growing number of Americans believe that 

this "police force" is unconstitutional and fashioned after the KGB and the SS. The President has publicly stated he wanted a National Security Force equal in numbers to the Armed Forces.

Here is part of what President Obama said on July 2, in Colorado Springs, CO. "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded..." Some will argue that President Obama was speaking of the Peace Corps. But look at the facts, in the last year Homeland Security has purchased 1.5 Billion rounds of Ammo. Numerous sightings of white SUV with bold lettering of "Police" across the side and in much smaller font "Division of Homeland Security"(see pics below). Any web search of the president's speech will verify the accuracy of his words. The interpretation is left to you. BTW the current Russian national security police force known under the Soviet Union as the KGB is now referred to as the FSB. Recently there has been high level discussions to rename these forces; Special Police Enforcement Regional Organization or SPERO for short. <Unsnip>

"Growing number of Americans" is weasel words, also the scare quotes around police force. The whole paragraph feels POV and a bit paranoid.

The KGB and SS are pretty inflammatory examples, there are national police forces in other countries which do not serve as political police for a one party state...

Also the modern FSB was formed out of the Ninth Directorate of the KGB, which was responsible for bodyguarding politicians, guarding buildings and so on (including Nuclear sites) - the KGB was a big organisation, not all of which was about spies. Grible (talk) 18:53, 28 September 2013 (UTC)