Talk:Federated States of Micronesia

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Country data template[edit]

With regards to the {{Country data Federated States of Micronesia}} template: at present, the shortname alias "Micronesia" is used; a redirect is also at {{Country data Micronesia}}. However, as this is not a common short-name for the country (certainly not used in any official documents, either from the domestic government, foreign governments, or international bodies), it shouldn't be used. A name beside a flagicon is supposed to refer, in this case, to a state. "Micronesia" refers to the wider geographic region; it is one of the three ethno-cultural divisions of the South Pacific. I suppose it would be like having a {{Country data America}} template, or a {{Country data Central Africa}} template.

According to reputable sources, the FSM does not have a short-form name: the ISO, the FCO, the CIA, the USBGN, the UNGEGN.

I am in the process of cleaning up transculsions of the redirect. Once finished, I will propose a WP:TFD, with the aim to remove the alias from the main template, and to delete the redirect. Night w (talk) 18:47, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

As a matter of procedure, you'll want RfD for the redirect, not TfD, and we don't need anything more than normal consensus (here) to edit the template to remove the shortname alias parameter. Also, note that these two items are completely independent; the redirect (used with {{flag}}) does not use the shortname alias. You'll want to search for things like {{flagcountry|FSM}} to find those instances. Shortname alias is also used with national team templates like {{fb|FSM}} and {{bk|FSM}}, but the target articles are at Federated States of Micronesia national football team and Federated States of Micronesia national basketball team anyway, so the shortname alias should be removed to fix those links. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 21:21, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
So is it more appropriate to have the shortname alias "FSM", or none at all? The acronym is common enough, although I'm not sure of the conventions behind these things, and whether acronyms are generally avoided in those instances. I've noticed that the {{flagcountry}} templates for the Congolese republics use the full name (i.e. {{flagcountry|DR Congo}} =  Democratic Republic of the Congo. Do I need to clean anything else up before it's removed? Night w (talk) 21:38, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I recommend keeping the short form for now. Although unofficial, it is in common use. For example, there is a http://www.micronesia.com/ . Chipmunkdavis (talk) 21:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
The shortname alias parameter for the flag template system is optional, and only needed if the template name doesn't match the target article name. A good example is Georgia (country), where we want to use {{flag|Georgia}} to render  Georgia. Note that the wikilink target and display name for the link are both exactly what we want. But in this case, you can use {{flag|FSM}} to render  FSM and you don't need a shortname alias parameter to do that. I've already taken the bold step to delete that parameter a few minutes ago, as I don't think it is needed here, and was actually getting in the way of the football and basketball templates. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 21:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, that sounds good. Night w (talk) 22:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

(ec) So is "America" for the United States, but we don't have {{Country data America}} for obvious reasons; it's a colloquialism, and shouldn't be used in reference to the state in an encyclopaedic context. The most active online Micronesian community is at MicSem, which evinces that in respect to common local usage, the acronym prevails anyway. Night w (talk) 22:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Commonly Used Short Form[edit]

The previous short form discussion is old, I think it should be archived. I'd just like to ask what the difference is between using Micronesia for the FSM and using America for the USA. Seems like a similar situation, and america is listed as a short form for the United States page. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 23:25, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

FSM is the short form that I see. :) FM is the domain code though and I believe how letters are sent when using the US postal system. --LauraHale (talk) 00:05, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Association with the United States of America[edit]

The history given in the Article is very interesting and I was pleased to learn. The Federated States of Micronesia have more association with the United Nations than USA, apparently. By contrast, the Marianna Islands chose to associate more closely with USA and vote in the primary elections, (nine delegates to the Republican convention in August). Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 00:29, 24 March 2012 (UTC)