Talk:Female homicides in Ciudad Juárez

Male homicides

Statistically there are 900% as many male homicides in this terrible area. Why is no mention made?

Simple question

The meat of this article is missing. It doesn't even to attempt answer a basic question 'why are/have these women being murdered and who is orchestrating it'? That's what I came to find out, not to read an exhaustive list of of celebrity responses which becomes tedious and doesn't address the main question. A very poor article; I'm amazed anyone could nominate it to be a featured article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.9.196.166 (talk) 02:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Umm are you kidding? Wikipedia isn't a group investigative journalists, the facts are what speak here, not speculation. At the same time I'll agree that the "Responses" section is horribly over-done and unmanaged, that's why I just tagged it for cleanup. Pfoot (talk) 15:39, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm in agreement that this article is seriously lacking in substance. Much has been written about the contributing factors to the murders of women in Juarez, such as the passage of NAFTA and the migration of poor, rural women to work in the maquiladoras at the border; the marginalization of poor women in Mexico, and the subsequent poor police response to their deaths in Juarez; the severity of domestic violence in the lives of many women in Mexico (as all over the world). That said, who's going to go ahead and do a really good edit on the article? I can try, but I'm brand new to Wikipedia...we'll see. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chimaria (talk • contribs) 23:16, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree also. Is this all the information that can be found? If so, then Mexican journalists really have their work cut out - the lack of pertinent details here is astonishing. What are the comparable figures for other cities of this size? What was the result of investigations that were concluded? What exactly were the "body clusters" described in the article? We have many bullet-point-style reactions but virtually no details on the murders and their circumstances. Most disturbing is the number "hundreds" - is this 100-200? 800-900? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.229.92.40 (talk) 06:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

old comments

I want to dedicate this page to the 360 women and whoever other victim may be found in the future, the women of Juarez.

May your souls rest in peace with God in Heaven

Antonio Sad and Outraged Martin

Roberto Bolano/2666?

Is it worth noting that these murders form the basis of the crimes described in Roberto Bolano's 2666? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.66.67.46 (talk) 00:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Merge suggestion

Looks like Juarez murders is attempting, with less success, to do what this page is doing. I suggest we merge it into here, or delete the other page entirely. Dkostic 05:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

support merge. Chris 01:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

You merged the wrong way, you opportunists. There are nine times as many male homicides in the area. Not only do you not mention them, you trivialise them by merging/filtering that information into this highly tainted article. You should know better and you should be ashamed. "Juarez murders" must be the title of this piece and it must give appropriate real estate to the much larger issue of male homicides and crime in general. Now please go fix this at once.

long lists

Zaguiar, as a general practice, we don't include long lists of people and such in articles, such as those you have added. Such material is best referred to as external resources. Our first and foremost task to put together a solid, succint, and neutral overview of a given topic, although this can be a challenge with current events. -- Viajero | Talk 12:31, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Page moved

I moved this page. --ThomasK 08:21, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

Graphic Picture

I removed the picture - if anyone wants to put it behind a warning of its graphic nature, that'd be more appropriate. 70.34.57.65 02:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

        Thanks - was just logging in to try to do that.  It's a trigger and needs a warning if there at all.Schauspiele 02:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I disagree I think the picture should be posted. See the discussion on Prophet Muhammad and his picture for a long discussion on what to do with controversial pictures. 68.6.62.43 (talk) 05:18, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Factually inaccurate

This article is famously inaccurate. There have *not* been hundreds of dead women found in the desert around Ciudad Juarez. This is what amounts to a journalistic urban legend, repeated by one journalist after another until it takes on the aura of truth.

Two numbers have been conflated here: (1) the number of women raped and murdered and left in the desert, and (2) the total number of women murdered in Ciudad Juarez and its surroundings during the same period of time, under any circumstances.

Ciudad Juarez is a huge city with a population in the millions. It is hardly surprising that 350 to 400 women have been murdered there in the last 10 to 15 years. But the vast majority of those murders have nothing to do with gangs of torture-rapists. They are everyday murders, and only a fraction of them are unsolved.

The actual number of dead women found in the desert is at least ten times smaller than the figure given.

Michael Snyder

Also, while not an inaccuracy, the article inappropriately states that the Mexican Federal government dropped the case. This is inflammatory and inaccurate in terms of the spirit of good reporting. The Mexican government never recommmended that investigations into the murders be abandoned. They merely said that since no federal laws were being violated, the onus of investigating the murders falls within the purview of local and state authorities (as stated in the sited article).

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Re-write it with appropriate references if it's inaccurate. Pfoot (talk) 15:39, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Linguistic Note

This is begging to be re-written. In the first paragraph it says: "...in the northern Mexican city of Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, a border city..." Ciudad means city. So this is how it reads: "in the northern Mexican city of city of Juárez, Chihuahua, a border city..." a little redundant, don't you think?

It should say: ... the violent death of hundreds of women in Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, a Northern Mexico border city across the Rio Grande from the US city of El Paso, Texas. Most of the cases remain unsolved [1].

The official name of the city is Ciudad Juarez, it is not redundant, "Ciudad" is part of the name of the town. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.114.35.177 (talk) 06:36, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Help... adding info

I am writing a paper on International influence on this issue. Does anyone have more info about what organizations have reviewed this case? What years? Adding some of this to the page would be very useful, in maybe a reaction section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.71.242.37 (talk contribs) 19:33, 28 November 2006

Murder image

That was not vandalism. The warning was for the squeemish and someone {cough...foxsportsradio...cough) already uploaded the same image, yet I get a last warning alert. Dang, there needs to be consistensy, but I feel bias in this, because I, the Jewish woman, gets a last warning alert, while FoxSportsRadio, the Anglican man, just gets his image deleted. Dang, that just feels wrong. So, just to let you know, either it's vandalism both times, by a Jewish woman and an Anglican man, or it's not vandalism either way. Catherine Woods 02:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Link Removed

I removed the link to the Australian website Women of Juarez. It is a blog about "Women style, info and shopping". SHAME ON THE OWNER OF THE BLOG! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.43.132.72 (talk) 23:39, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Other Perspectives

This article would be strengthened by mentioning other perspectives. Charles Bowden on C-SPAN (about 10:40 in the video) commented that murders of women make up about 10% of total murders in Juarez, which, while large in absolute terms, is a small fraction of the human rights catastrophe unfolding there. This disputes the idea that women are being systematically targeted, as this article implies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nburns1980 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

1. Wah.
2. No, that's a drug war.
3. This is a specific phenomenon that does not exist in other areas with similarly high death rates. If you want to write an article on the self-imagined "human rights catastrophe unfolding there", that's a separate article.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Did you watch the portion of the video that I linked to? Bowden claims to have been responsible for starting the entire interest in femicides in Juarez, and his name is not even mentioned in the article. So, you don't have to take from it what I did, but I think the C-SPAN video is highly relevant to this subject, so I urge somebody to at least think about referencing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nburns1980 (talk • contribs) 05:16, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Added Cleanup Tag

The "Responses" section is a huge mishmash of unrelated stories; if we want these all in the article they should at least be organized better. Pfoot (talk) 15:39, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed Revision and Expansion

Hello all! I have read through all of your comments and I am planning to revise this article so that it provides a more thorough and well-rounded analysis of the issue. As many of you mentioned, I agree the page is inadequate. I intend to revise the page using scholarly resources as evidence and a neutral point of view. In addition, I hope to provide a comprehensive description of this complicated, yet important issue. Some of the issues I would like to add to the page are: the concept of femicide and feminicide, the available statistics from 1993-2011, police and governmental response, suspects, activism, impact of NAFTA, a description of the maquila industry, the role of organized crime and drug trafficking, potential solutions, and policy implications. As part of my revision, I would like to remove the section on reactions. The current section is far to lengthy and not beneficial. I think the section I will add on activism will cover the aspect of reaction in a more productive manner. I hope that these revisions will provide the international Wikipedia community with a better understanding of the issues surrounding violence against women along the border.

I will be revising the page over the next few weeks. I wanted to open up the discussion to the revisions I am planning to make. I welcome any feedback or input that might help strengthen the article! Cnovoa17 (talk) 05:18, 7 March 2012 (UTC)