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Edit request on 30 January 2013[edit]

release the padlock on 01 Feb 2013 LillianToo (talk) 02:51, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

This article is scheduled to be unprotected on Feb 10. If you want to ask to have it done sooner, go to WP:RFPP RudolfRed (talk) 03:59, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Article is a synthesized, unbalanced mess that needs a major rewrite[edit]

I've moved this section (Feng shui practice today) from the article as it's a very poorly written section full of OR, synthesized content, and undue weight. If someone wants to fix it (preferably starting from scratch), the section should be re-titled as "contemporary feng shui practice". The history and foundation sections of the article look ok, but after that, the sections degenerate into a mess of OR and synthesized undue weight. This article is in serious need of some experts in Chinese history and who actually know this topic and the modern uses and can follow correct writing style, instead of having a bunch of improper, unbalanced content hashed together into this poor excuse of an article. - M0rphzone (talk) 08:23, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Feng shui practice today
Modern feng shui may have connotations of being a superstitious scam, which arose from improper usage and scams by New Age practitioners, but is not always looked at as a superstitious scam. Many Asians, especially people of Chinese descent, believe it is important to live a prosperous and healthy life as evident by the popularity of Fu Lu Shou in the Chinese communities. Many of the higher-level forms of feng shui are not easily practiced without having connections in the community or a certain amount of wealth because hiring an expert, altering architecture or design, and moving from place to place requires a significant financial output. This leads some people of the lower classes to lose faith in feng shui, saying that it is only a game for the wealthy.[1] Others, however, practice less expensive forms of feng shui, including hanging special (but cheap) mirrors, forks, or woks in doorways to deflect negative energy.[2]

In recent years,[when?] a new brand of easier-to-implement DIY Feng Shui known as Symbolic Feng Shui, which is popularized by Grandmaster[3] Lillian Too, is being practised by Feng Shui enthusiasts. It entails placements of auspicious (and preferably aesthetically pleasing) Five Element objects, such as Money God and tortoise, at various locations of the house so as to achieve a pleasing and substitute-alternative Productive-Cycle environment if a good natural environment is not already present or is too expensive to build and implement.

Feng shui is so important to some strong believers, that they use it for healing purposes (although there is no empirical evidence that this practice is in any way effective) in addition to guide their businesses and create a peaceful atmosphere in their homes.[4] In 2005, even Disney acknowledged feng shui as an important part of Chinese culture by shifting the main gate to Hong Kong Disneyland by twelve degrees in their building plans, among many other actions suggested by the master planner of architecture and design at Walt Disney Imagineering, Wing Chao, in an effort to incorporate local culture into the theme park.[5]

Currently, one of the best known feng shui users is real estate mogul Donald Trump. After losing Asian clients a few years ago due to his properties' apparently bad feng shui, he hired a feng shui master to analyze Trump Towers.[6] At Singapore Polytechnic and other institutions, many working professionals from various disciplines (including engineers, architects, property agents and interior designers) take courses on feng shui and divination every year with a number of them becoming part-time or full-time feng shui (or geomancy) consultants eventually.[7] When the principles are appropriately applied, feng shui has been seen to elicit the profound experience of magic, mystery, and order in American life.[8]

Master Aaron Lee Koch of New York, USA, established the Feng Shui Excellence Award, the first award for the achievement of outstanding feng shui. The Feng Shui Excellence Award is awarded to home and business owners that have achieved a high level of feng shui excellence and have experienced the results of the changes they have made.[9]

  1. ^ http://www.intfsa.org/IFSC2009writeup.pdf International Feng Shui Convention 2009 Singapore Management University 21 & 22 November 2009
  2. ^ Laura M. Holson, "The Feng Shui Kingdom"
  3. ^ "The Donald Uses Feng Shui For Trump Towers". Fengshuiave.com. Retrieved 2012-05-14. 
  4. ^ "Feng Shui course gains popularity". Asiaone.com. 2009-02-06. Retrieved 2012-05-14. 
  5. ^ H. L. Goodall, Jr. Writing the American Ineffable, or the Mystery and Practice of Feng Shui in Everyday Life. Qualitative Inquiry, 7:1, 3–20 (2001)
  6. ^ "Award of Feng Shui Excellence". Americhi.com. Retrieved 2012-05-14. 

Pronunciation (in English)[edit]

(FENG SHOO-ee) is, as I understand it, an inaccurate pronunciation even for an Anglicization. The first phoneticization, and the first audio example, seem dubious. The following two seem correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.89.28 (talk) 20:37, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

In English it is rendered FOONG-SHWAY. 2.31.162.30 (talk) 05:17, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Article is fundamentally ridiculous[edit]

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Accordingly, it deals in facts. There would be no problem with this article clearly articulating the history and beliefs relating to Feng shui AS history and beliefs, but when one reads it, it comes across as though the concept has some sort of factual legitimacy. I.e., it reads as though there is some basis for thinking that these beliefs are actually correct.

At most, it says that there is some skepticism about feng shui because the "evidence" that it works is anecdotal.

The article also carries a defensive tone, accusing historical critics of the practice as "ethnocentric".

The true position, of course, is that feng shui is a cultural/quasi religious practice and there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that it works. This article needs to be rewritten from the ground up with that as its basis.

Either that, or Wikipedia needs to make clear that it is not based on a rationalist/scientific approach to reality, in which case people can stop referring to it as a source of factual information. 60.242.78.144 (talk) 06:31, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree enough that it's worth going through this article with a careful eye to WP:NPOV and WP:FRINGE. Looks like the biggest problem is that much is written in-world without indicating so. Qi has similar problems. --Ronz (talk) 16:37, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Criticism Section[edit]

Seems to me it's less about criticism of Feng Shui and more about rebutting criticism by skewing it more toward persecution of Feng Shui Practitioners. It's not exactly objective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.68.136.44 (talk) 18:04, 15 November 2013 (UTC)