Talk:Fidel Castro

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National Socialism[edit]

I think something should be written about Cuba and it's similarities with National Socialism. I have to find the book again but there are a lot of similar themes in Castro's ideology and Hitler's National Socialism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.246.232.41 (talk) 23:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Both fascist and far right ideologies such as National Socialism, and many far left ideologies such as Marxism-Leninism, share the common attitude of authoritarianism and totalitarianism. In this respect, both Nazi Germany and Communist Cuba do have some similarities, such as a censored press and a lack of multi-party elections. But these features are shared by many, many, nation-states that have existed throughout history across the globe, and I know of no good reason to argue for a particularly valid comparison between these two. In fact, there are just as many differences between the two nation-states as similarities; Nazi Germany was vehemently racist, Communist Cuba was militantly anti-racist; Nazi Germany had a mixed economy, Communist Cuba had a state socialist economy; Nazi Germany was rampantly imperialist, Communist Cuba was devoutly anti-imperialist etc.
In my opinion, most western sources that try to highlight similarities between Nazi Germany and Communist Cuba do so with the sole intention of trying to demonize the latter; the Nazis, of course, were responsible for the deaths of 12 million people in the Holocaust, amid a wide range of other human rights abuses. While Communist Cuba is certainly guilty of many human rights abuses (no freedom of the press, limited freedom of speech, some psychological torture of prisoners), it quite frankly is not guilty of anything as abhorrent as was perpetrated by the Nazis (there has been no genocide, ethnic cleansing, or mass killings in Communist Cuba for instance). Thereby by saying "Communist Cuba is a lot like Nazi Germany", critics of the Cuban government are able to demonize Castro's government in the eyes of others who are well aware of what the Nazis did; such arguments are dishonest and detract from reasoned and educated debate.
Furthermore, this particular article is devoted to the life of Castro himself, rather than a wider assessment of his government and the similarities and differences that it has or has had with other governments that have existed throughout human history. It is already too long for Wikipedia's standards, and needs to be trimmed. This being the case, information such as that which you propose would simply be superfluous. For these reasons your comment would not be implemented here on Wikipedia, but thank you for your suggestion. Midnightblueowl (talk) 01:21, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- "Cuba was militantly anti-racist" explain then why most Cuban blacks are prohibited from entering tourist designated areas "Cuba devoutly anti-imperialistic" explain then the Cuban military interference in Angola, Nicaragua, Grenada, and El Salvador. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.34.232.200 (talk) 03:16, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
This talk page is for a discussion of the article itself, not a wider debate on the subject of the article. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:03, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
- Those points you made are the premise for your argument. If your premises are incorrect then your argument is invalid.

Rolex collector[edit]

As a Trivia his obsession with Rolex watches should be added. http://rolexblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/rolex-revolutionary-fidel-castro-no.html --197.228.45.80 (talk) 15:03, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

That is not a reliable source, and not something that biographers have found significant. TFD (talk) 08:37, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
I second TFD's statement. If we have a reliable biographical or historical publication that mentions that Castro has a particular love of Rolex watches, then we can include a very short statement about it in this article. Until then, such information is of no relevance here on Wikipedia. Midnightblueowl (talk) 16:03, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Which image should be in the infobox ?[edit]

Candidates
1) 2003
2) 2003
3a) 2003
3b) 2003

Hello all! As a long-term and major contributor to this article, I have taken a keen interest in how it has developed, hoping very much to get it to GA status in the near future (as I have previously achieved with Early life of Fidel Castro and Fidel Castro in the Cuban Revolution). One question however that remains divisive and problematic is which image should be used in the infobox to the right of the lede; indeed, this question is one that has been discussed here on the talk page back in 2011 and again in 2012. I have long been a proponent that our best available image for use here is "File:Cuba.FidelCastro.02.jpg", a 2003 colour photograph of Castro pointing as he gives a speech in front of the Havana statue of Jose Marti. It's a nice, well composed, good quality, and clean image, and gives a good shot of his face. It is also the perfect shape for the infobox, and because of the prominent monument in the background it appropriately associates Castro very much with Cuba, the nation-state which he governed for many decades.

Recently however, User:Giovanosky has been repeatedly changing this lede image to another option, "Fidel Castro.jpg", without any attempt to gain consensus, something that has been described as "disruptive editing" by myself and, more strongly, as "vandalism" by User:Pdfpdf. While I disapprove of the manner in which Giovanosky has done this, and the edit war that has ensued, I recognise the importance of constructive dialogue here at Wikipedia, and thus approached Giovanosky on their talk page. That brief correspondence has resulted in my decision to open up a section here at the talk page. I however think that the option that Giovanosky has backed is simply innapropriate; it is not the best shape for an infobox, and when produced at the necessary size is not of sufficiently good quality (it gets slightly grainy and blurred). I also have to agree with the comment made by User:Redthoreau in June 2011 that it is "zombie-esque", and that made by an anonymous user in that same thread that it is "biased and unsuitable" in that it strips Castro of some of the dignity befitting a major head of state. So it would be great if we could have many different editors coming and giving us their opinions on the issue. All the best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 14:16, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I'd prefer a crop of this. I do not believe it makes Castro look undignified in any way.
The problem with the finger-pointing one is that his face is not as clearly recognisable. It is a great pose though, and should be retained in the article with an appropriate caption. But for the purposes of the infobox—which is "this is what Mr. Castro looks like"—the photo is not the best.—indopug (talk) 21:18, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
FWIW, I think both 1) & 2) should appear in the article, with 2) in the infobox because, one can see his face more clearly. I much prefer both 1) & 2) to 3). As to a crop of 3) - I'd like to see it before I make a comment. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:31, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Pdfpdf and Midnightblueowl, I've replaced the full-length Castro with a couple of crops (one horizontal and the other vertical). I'm fine with either. —indopug (talk) 04:06, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
I made a couple of test edits to see what they'd look like in the infobox: [1], [2].—indopug (talk) 04:22, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks indopug! Pdfpdf (talk) 14:03, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
I'd say that Image 3a is a lot better than 3b due to its shape. My preference is still for Image 1, for the reasons that I have outlined earlier in this conversation. However, in my opinion 3a is certainly still far superior to option 2. Midnightblueowl (talk) 19:56, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll try a summary - please correct it if I've got something wrong.

infobox on page not on page  ?
Midnightblueowl 1 3a 2 3b
indopug 3a/3b 1 2
Pdfpdf 2 1 3/3a/3b -
  • The only "consensus" I can derive out of the above is that 1 should appear on the page, (but not in the infobox).
  • There seems no clear consensus about the other photos, or on the infobox.
  • 3a seems to be 2nd most popular, but it's not clear what this means wrt the infobox.
  • 2 seems to be least popular - in all categories.

I'd say that we do not have consensus for what should appear in the infobox.
Comments? Pdfpdf (talk) 13:40, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Agreed; we lack anything even resembling a consensus. We'll have to get some more editors in on this one. Midnightblueowl (talk) 09:19, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


  • Something you have missing in the pic, you should show is how Fidel Castro is know in all world, is like symbolism he with his military uniform and his beard, you should keep that symbolism since this is the first thing that people will see when they look in internet. PS. I'm Cuban anticastro.

Typo in the second paragraph.[edit]

In the second paragraph "righ-wing governments" should be "right-wing governments". Could someone please fix it, I cannot make the edit, because my account is not yet confirmed. Bgrozev (talk) 12:18, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting us to that little error; it has now been fixed by User:Michael A Bekoff. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 15:48, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Personal life[edit]

I think the part about him being a womanizer should be added in his personal life. I've read for instance that he is estimated to have had sex with over 35000 women in his life.Bobbyshabangu talk 18:33, 24 August 2014 (UTC) [1][2][3]

  1. ^ http://www.blindloop.com/index.php/2010/09/5-greatest-womanizersstuds-of-the-world/
  2. ^ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/6235286/Fidel-Castros-Cuba-full-of-his-offspring-after-years-of-womanising-by-El-Commandante.html
  3. ^ http://www.puatraining.com/blog/10-greatest-womanizers-history