Talk:Fine Gael

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Former good article nominee Fine Gael was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Centrist and Centre-right[edit]

Why were reliable and npov sources removed from this article? Snappy (talk) 08:10, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Ah, how on earth can a party be centrist and also, centre-right. Its either one or the other. A political position reflects the collection of ideologies which might dictate in the party. Note: Perception is perfectly summed up by Reuters, who without fail, mention the fact that Fine Gael is centre right every time it is covered by their site. Can a mod get this fixed. I would't be happy with the way the page currently looks, both in the fact box, and also in the intro.--104066481 (talk) 00:37, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

But The Party my its collection of ideologies has it Pro choice, Pro-Europe and if not always

Different reliable sources describe FG as such. I don't see why Reuters is deemed to be the only acceptable source, is it because this is what party HQ says? Also FG describes itself as "a pity of the progressive centre", if its in the centre, is it not centrist? Snappy (talk) 08:30, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
I agree with some of what you have to say. The general trend since 2007 has been for the party to be seen as being centre-right. Looking at the empirical evidence, which I believe we should, FG's policy platform is the most to the 'right' of the Irish political parties. In their documents, the health policy "Faircare" is a universal health insurance plan, premised on reliance on private insurers. 'NewERA' is a stimilus package based on funds largely raised through privatisation of state companies. 'New Politics', their political reform document speaks of smaller government, and reducing the numbers in political office. The more recent document, 'Reinventing Government', is strongers on those areas and further to that, suggests a 30,000 reduction in the public service numbers. That puts it nearly twice that of FF. In economic policy concerning the deficit, FG's proposal is to cut spending and where possible keep taxation low. Its all essentially a small government argument. To me anyway, that all suggests a very clear tagline of centre-right. Incidentally, FG HQ I imagine would write a very different article if they got their hands on it, and would likely take all reference to political position out, as I imagine they want to spread their net widely. Luckily, they aren't. Please consider these arguments. I am not looking for a very old argument based on what FG deems itself to be (written around 2002), but rather a political position tag which reflects the party as it is today. Remember, politicians like Varadkar, Creighton, Noonan, Coveney, Bruton and others who populate the front bench are all seen to be explicitly centre-right. They have identified themselves to be thus.--104066481 (talk) 20:58, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't disagree with what you said above, but that's YOUR analysis of Fine Gael's position. Going through FG policies and reaching the conclusion that they are centre-right is Original Research. I've added in multiple, independent, reliable, npov sources for centrist and centre-right. You are saying only Reuters is allowable because it agrees with your opinion. Maybe you should trust the reader more. Leave sources for both positions in the article, add in their policy positions as you outlined, with reliable sources. Let the reader draw their own conclusions about what kind of a party they are. Snappy (talk) 21:43, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure Snappy that the above is a fair assertion. I would accept that international news agencies have a clearly accepted that the party is centre right. There is considerably more in the way of live and reputable links on the page claiming centre right positioning, rather than centrist. Furthermore, I think we ought to have a common way of reviewing these things. If the likes of reuters and the Euronews are asserting a common opinion, I would guess that it is reputable and authentic. The point made above about personalities, I think, largely finds its basis in the evidence of articles, and shouldn't really be seen as simply ' YOUR analysis'--87.33.59.137 (talk) 16:55, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

johnymac 17 Feb 2011 It's probably useful to keep Irish notation and European notation separate. The Centrist moniker likely refers to the overall alignment within greater European politics, rather than local Irish politics.

References[edit]

Just did a quick check of references and the links. There is a need to start removing and finding live links for references that have either gone dead, or now need a subscription to find out what the article relates to. Eg. Ref 7 and 8 both now require subscriptions to the Phoenix and Sunday Business Post respectively to provide evidence for the claims made in the article. --87.33.59.137 (talk) 17:02, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

There is no real need to replace subscription links they should just be marked with {{subscription}} and dead links should be marked with {{dead link}} until a replacement reference can be found. Keith D (talk) 17:25, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Political position[edit]

Fine Gael are now 100% to the left of Fianna Fail. Fine Gael are more Pro-Europan, Pro-Choice and have a Large Social Democratic Wing in the party and work closely with the Labour Party i am not disputing Fine Gael has also a Large Christian Democratic wing also but these cancel themselves out and leaves what most International Commentators would say Centrist Party only Ireland and its Political immaturity where people and parties dont know whether there left-Wing or Right-Wing would disagee.

On the other hand Fianna Fail are less Pro-Europe but in any means not Euro-Sceptic , Pro-Life and have Conservative Catholic views towards the economy the main issue where i would agree Fianna Fail is to the left of Fine Gael is on Social Welfare. Even though many members when asked if Fianna Fail would not to exist any more alot them say they would be happy with the Labour Party although this is found out to be rubbish as many of them quizzed about there policies and beliefs would align more closely with the Conservative Party in the Uk than Labour.

I believe the above to be 100% true and tell me where i am wrong i would be happy to discuss it with you but i am not going to spend all my time looking for sources. You can if you want. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.221.107.135 (talk) 04:27, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

You must provide reliable sources for your claims, otherwise it will be treated as your opinion and will be removed per WP:NPOV and WP:OR. Snappy (talk) 20:50, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay sick of these lies some sources for you http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0702/460124-abortion-legislation/ http://www.politics.ie/forum/elections/206778-should-fine-gael-labour-merge-social-democratic-party.html http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-quinn/a-protestant-taoiseach-would-not-do-the-things-kenny-has-29343809.html

How does this help? The first is an RTE News report, the second is a forum (not allowed), the third is on opinion piece by a well known right wing journalist (not very neutral). Snappy (talk) 19:30, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Well if right wing Journalists are not supporting Fine Gael according to wikipedia a centre right party more right wing than Fianna Fail lol does that not say anything . The RTE Report shows Fine Gael mainly supported the implementation of abortion into Ireland and Fianna Fail mainly did not . What sources please tell me that i am looking for to change your bizarre view or out of date view of Irish Politics

I don't understand your ranting above. So what text do you want to insert into the article? Snappy (talk) 16:35, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

1. Fine Gael is a now a Social Democratic Party (Centre-Centre Left)Probably could be classed as the LIB DEMS of Ireland now 2. Pro Choice - the TDS That voted against implementation of Abortion have been thrown out and wont be selected again for the Fine Gael Party 3. Fianna Fail are more Right wing than them now except on Social Welfare because of the Party's long established links with the Catholic Church

Fine Gael is a now a Social Democratic Party (Centre-Centre Left) - this is pure Original Research that has no place in the article. Lokalkosmopolit (talk) 19:03, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Pro choice, Pro- Europe has uses the Labour Party mainly as first choice to coalition government what does that say . They are a left, Leaning liberal Party on the european spectrum although a member of the EPP. I am not trying any agenda speaking the truth

Agree with User:Lokalkosmopolit, total OR, no place for this kind of thing in the article. Snappy (talk) 21:34, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Can you at least then get rid of the Social Conservatism part on ideaology as they clearly are Pro-choice as introducing Abortion into Ireland .

They are doing no such thing. This bill is to legislate for the X case, no more. It simply brings legal clarification to the current situation. That is clearly NOT pro-choice. Snappy (talk) 17:34, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

They didn't have to the 4 mambers of Fine Gael who voted against it have already been thrown out of the Parliamentary party snd willbe de-selected at the next election . 1) Does the Legislation of the x case allow abortion in to Ireland ? YES 2 )Did Fine Gael legislate for it ? YES 3) So therefore Fine Gael led Government with no free vote introduced abortion into Ireland ? YES 4) Does a government who legislates for abortion with no free vote considered pro Choice ? YES 5) So therefore Fine Gael are a Pro-Choice Party

Do i have to argue the use of the English Language now !!!!

Please stop blogging. This can be seen as talk page abuse. Lokalkosmopolit (talk) 09:37, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Talk pages are not forums or soapboxes. Again, please stop trying to insert your opinion and your original research into this article. Snappy (talk) 15:32, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

So the Truth which i shown you using simple English is just me blogging and my opinion ok please tell me the point of Wikipedia when you are distorting the truth to people ?

Please read (or re-read): Neutral point of view, No original research, Verifiability and Identifying reliable sources. Feel free to use punctuation as well. Snappy (talk) 16:50, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

English pronunciation for this word[edit]

I've started a conversation for this at Talk:Tánaiste. --101.160.13.231 (talk) 23:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)