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Parts of a firearm is not explained
A number of firearm/gun articles mention the "receiver." I was not familiar with the term. There's an article at Receiver (firearms) though it's still not 100% clear as the pictures to me seem like a complete rifle, another complete rifle, the lower receiver, and a bunch of parts, some of which are meaningless to me.
I'm thinking this article, rather than the receiver one, would be a good place for a picture that shows an exploded view drawing of a gun that labels the parts with the parts I'm thinking of are:
- Receiver (firearms) (if separate upper and lower receivers are common then explode this)
Those are all common English words that have a specialized meaning when discussing firearms. If there are other important parts then by all means include them.
Related to this is it would help if there was an explanation of the term "field strip" which I assume means the disassembly of a firearm you can do without tools. It's used many times on Wikipedia. I found these pictures that can help.
The phrase is defined on List of United States Marine Corps acronyms and expressions and includes the "AR-15 field strip" image though captioned as "field stripped M16." I can't tell from the picture if it's an AR-15 or an M16. --Marc Kupper|talk 23:54, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- The article at Receiver (firearms) does fairly well cover what a receiver is, but there is often confusion when it comes to guns that don't have a receiver. Black powder canons, for instance, don't typically have a part that is called a "receiver" because they are just tubes of metal with a plug in one end. There are really no operating parts to house, and thus no receiver in which to house them. I suppose the frame the canon sits on could be called a receiver, but it never really is.
- Similarly, not all firearms have a stock (pistols, for instance), nor a magazine (single-shot firearms), nor even a trigger (mortars, for instance). Some Old West gamblers even took the barrel off their revolvers. In the centuries of development, so many formats have come out that there really is no single comprehensive parts list that can apply to all of them.
- As for defining "field stripping," that too is highly dependent on the individual gun. Most modern guns have been designed to be field stripped without tools, but that wasn't always the case. And different manufacturers of substantially similar guns can publish instructions on field stripping that have significantly different levels of disassembly. It very broadly means simply opening it up enough to clean and lubricate the moving parts, but some guns don't need to be stripped at all to do this while others need a fairly intense bit of mechanical labor. It's not really technical terminology that is uniform enough to apply to the article as a whole. A quick image search for field stripped M16/AR15/M4s on Wikipedia shows multiple levels of disassembly, and they are all identical guns when it comes to disassembly. I'm not sure what the right answer is here. Anything other than a broad definition would be incorrect in at least a few cases, and I'm not sure such a broad definition is of much use to people who don't already know the term. Davethehorrible (talk) 12:01, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
earliest recorded firearm??
i googled this question and got this wiki link,however i noticed on the gunpowder page it states that the earliest gunpowder weapons were actually from the 11th century, andd that the first western guns were in the 13th but yours says the first guns were from china in the 13th century...... someone needs to do some fact checking from one of the pages. just thought id let you guys know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 03:26, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
- Well, this is a tough one to nail done because the answer is... "It depends..." The earliest devices to use gunpowder were referred to as "fire sticks" or "fire lances". Basically roman candles that "shot" out sparks, burning embers, or some other incendiary material. Then later (how much or little is debatable apparently) someone figure out how to use one of these devices to launch a projectile. So is what you're calling a "firearm" the first device to use gunpowder or the first device to launch a projectile via gunpowder? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 06:41, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Morality and ethics
Where is the section about the morality and ethics of firearms? This article is; description, history, legality. The sections are comprehensive, but the article is not. Yes, they're in other articles, but this is the summary article and should include them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 05:08, 26 July 2014 (UTC)