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Call sign?[edit]

First Air is unusual in that it is one of the few international airlines that does not have a designated ICAO call sign., quoth the article, but the infobox says "FAB". Which is right? Jpatokal 02:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Both are the "FAB" is the ICAO airline designator and the other is the ICAO airline designator. In this case the most commonly one used is First Air but it's not official. Take a look at Air Canada as an example. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 00:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Despite the inclusion of the callsign FIRST AIR in the article the callsign does not appear in the official documentation (ICAO 8585 Edition 139) against the ICAO Code FAB (which is allocated to FIRST AIR (BRADLEY SCHEDULED) LTD.), so unless it has been added since Edition 139 and somebody can cite a source then I suggest we should remove the callsign. (It is possible to have an ICAO code without a callsign, it is also possible to have an ICAO Callsign without a code !) MilborneOne 19:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

HQ[edit]

Ottawa should be used as the location because Kanata is just a neighbourhood in the City of Ottawa. thanks, KS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kschuler (talkcontribs) 17:28, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

I moved this to the bottom as that is where new comments go. Kanata may be a "suburban communities in the western part of Ottawa" but the source says that it is Kanata and not in Ottawa. An explanation could be put in the article. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 23:56, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

The City of Kanata hasn't existed in 13 years.[edit]

The article lists "Kanata, Ontario" as the home of First Air. I changed this to read "Ottawa", as the city of Kanata has not existed since it was amalgamated with Ottawa almost 13 years ago. User:Dr.K. has reverted my attempt to correct this twice. This user probably lacks local knowledge and innocently reverted a correction. Although some people still use the term Kanata incorrectly as a city name, it is only a district of the City of Ottawa, similar to a "borough". That being said, the article should read Ottawa and not Kanata. After all the The New York Times headquarters is "New York City", not just "Manhattan". 70.53.74.247 (talk) 22:37, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. I can see your point and I pondered your point of view while reverting yesterday. The thing is the airline lists Kanata, Ontario as their address on their website. So does the Industry Canada government website listing of their address. So since the reliable sources list it as Kanata, I went with the reliable sources. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 01:08, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Agreed that the sources say Kanata. My point is that the standard on wikipedia is to use the city as the headquarters not the borough, district, or neighbourhood. While the sources may use the district of Kanata, wikipedias standard is to use city of Ottawa. 70.53.74.247 (talk) 03:40, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
If that's the case I won't object. But I'm not aware of that specific policy or guideline. Can you point it out to me? Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 04:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Just look at any company article: The Coca-Cola Company, FedEx, Apple Inc., Reebok, CNN, Molson Coors Brewing Company, Fisher-Price, Southwest Airlines, etc, etc, etc. 70.53.74.247 (talk) 01:25, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Are there other companies in Kanata and if so what do they use for an address? I don't see that just because other companies use the city name is no reason not to use what is sourced here. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 16:37, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
It seems yes. There are companies like IBM listed with address in Kanata. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 08:00, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
In that case it would seem a legitimate address and is OK. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 16:15, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
I agree. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 18:00, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure you guys are getting it. Nor am I sure you've ever stepped foot in Kanata or have any local knowledge whatsoever. Let me put this very simply for you. The City of KANATA no longer exists. And it hasn't existed for over 13 years when it amalgamated with Ottawa. Do some companies and residents still use the old city name? Yes. But this is an encyclopedia, and in encyclopedias you do not support inaccuracies. If a company on wikipedia had its address as "Acme Anvils, Lower Manhattan" we would change it to read simply New York City. 70.53.74.247 (talk) 03:08, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Sure I get it. It was quite clear in your first post. It's what the company says, it's referenced and it's not the editors job to correct them. Why not as FAB why they have that particular address? CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 22:35, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

The key issue here is not whether Kanata is a city or not, as it clearly isn't. It is not inaccurate to list the headquarters as being in Kanata. Everyone must agree that it is in Kanata, in the same way that everyone must agree that the municipality in which the headquarters are located is Ottawa. Both statements are unambiguously true. The issue is whether the headquarters of a company must be listed in Wikipedia as being in a legal municipality or not. User:70 presumes that it must, apparently on the basis that many corporate headquarters are listed as such. But precedent is not policy. In the absence of an explicit Wikipedia policy on the matter, I think we go with what the company uses. Even better, why not list the headquarters as being in "Kanata, Ottawa"? Ground Zero | t 02:16, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I am not sure that we need Kanata, a suburb of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. when Kanata, Ontario, Canada is perfectly clear, the first thing the Kanata article tell us is where it is if you really want to know but for an airline article we can keep it simple. MilborneOne (talk) 16:32, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
I agree. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:57, 3 April 2014 (UTC)