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Archive 1 of past discussions (Mar 2004 - June 2009)

Contents 1 Negatives vs Positives 2 Series Sidebar 3 Query about MS Word update 4 CA English 5 Removed some text 6 GA level needs 6.1 Readability 6.2 Wiki links Redirects 6.3 Links 6.4 Images 7 Thinking of removing............................ 8 Grapes

[edit] Negatives vs Positives

The majority of this article is about the negative attributes of the First Nations experience. Near the end it has brief snippets about music and diversity, etc. Is there nothing good to say about the "culture" of these people prior to European contact, or even during? What about now? Is the experience of First Nations people essentially one of conquest and suffering?

Deepcloud (talk) 11:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Series Sidebar

Started this "Ethnic Series sidebar template" to bring together some of the main topics related to the aboriginal peoples of Canada so that the articles stand alone and do not overlap each other in content. What is your opinion? SriMesh | talk 04:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

This article is part of a series on

Aboriginal peoples in Canada

First Nations · Inuit · Métis

History Paleo-Indians Integration  · Conflicts First Nation  · Inuit

Politics Crown and aboriginals Treaties  · Health Policy Royal Commission Indian Act · Politics Organizations · Case law Indian Affairs Canada

Culture Notable Aboriginals Aboriginal cultures

Demographics Genetics AB  · Atlantic CA  · BC MB  · ON  · QC  · SK Territories  · Pacific Coast

Linguistics Aboriginal languages Inuit language Indigenous Languages Aboriginal syllabics Inuit grammar

Religions Inuit mythology Traditional beliefs Traditional mythology

Index Index of articles Aboriginal · First Nations Inuit  · Métis · Stubs

Wikiprojects Portal Aboriginal Canadian portal WikiProject Indigenous North Americans First Nations Commons · Wiktionary Inuit Commons · Wiktionary Métis Commons · Wiktionary

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very nice add to all pages....when your done i think it looks great.....good job,,,, Lets try it on First nations page see if people like it ..i am sure they will

links you may like to add ,,well not all there is many ...History of Canada, Models of migration to the New World, Origins of Paleoindians,Pre-Columbian,Assembly of First Nations

and List of First Nations peoples,List of First Nations governments,Métis National Council

Buzzzsherman (talk) 06:19, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

UPDATE It has been added to the following articles, PLEASE ADD IT TO new and old articles about the topic.. {{Indigenous Peoples of Canada}} Buzzzsherman (talk) 00:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Query about MS Word update

This sentence ..If the seventh miigis being stayed, it would have established the Thunderbird doodem. ... can it be changed to If the seventh miigis were stayed, it would have established the Thunderbird doodem. Being stayed is not quite right perhaps.SriMesh | talk 22:02, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

So i guess this is next on our list to get to GA level....dame lots of work here,,,ok back here again,,,,,,,,,,,lol.............Buzzzsherman (talk) 22:44, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the above question from me was right....it makes sense now, I was reading being as a verb not a noun for some reason.SriMesh | talk 01:44, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, hello, started on the same queries - items presented for the other article. See you are peeking in here now, also. I will return again to the other article, but need to rest, and return to see it differently.SriMesh | talk 01:44, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] CA English

Quote from auto pr; English words consistent with either American or British spelling, depending upon the subject of the article. Examples include: honour (B) (American: honor), harbour (B) (American: harbor), neighbour (B) (American: neighbor), organize (A) (British: organise), organise (B) (American: organize), recognise (B) (American: recognize), realise (B) (American: realize), colonise (B) (American: colonize), ization (A) (British: isation), isation (B) (American: ization), traveled (A) (British: travelled), travelled (B) (American: traveled), routing (A) (British: routeing), program (A) (British: programme---checking now SriMesh | talk 23:38, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Search found Honoré Jackson for honour/honor, apologizes, citizens, citizenship. found for ise-ize, Civilization, decentralization, Social Organizations and Legalization are both in titles of references, and colonization, civilization in a wikilink to a wp article. Changed those in article prose proper, and not in titlesSriMesh | talk 23:54, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Removed some text

"Although not as technologically advanced as the Mesoamerican civilisations further south, there were extensive pre-Columbian sedentary societies in what is now the United States of America. The Iroquois League of Nations or "People of the Long House" was a politically advanced and unique social structure that was inspirational and influential on the development of the democratic United States government, a departure from the strong monarchies from which the Europeans came." Not about Canada at all.SriMesh | talk 01:28, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] GA level needs

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• Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at Wikipedia:Lead. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article.^[?]2
• As per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates), dates shouldn't use ^th; for example, instead of (if such appeared in the article) using January 30^th was a great day, use January 30 was a great day.^[?]
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[edit] Readability

This article seems to be too long and probably needs to be split or condensed. Readability: First Nations

[edit] Wiki links Redirects

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[edit] Links

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[edit] Images

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Buzzzsherman (talk) 00:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Thinking of removing............................

Thinking of removing the following 3 paragraphs ......but wll let the next editor make the choice with my clear support: I believe it is very bias - referenced or not.. Or maybe its an American view .. Or MAY BE I AM WRONG but the worded just sound off to me almost demeaning.

Buzzzsherman (talk) 21:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Habitually when innovative artists depart from established conventions of “native art”, they are deemed “inauthentic” and of less value as a First Nations piece. Oscar Howe, for example, entered his piece Umine Wacipi: War and Peace Dance with an abstract portrayal of a ritual dance in the Annual Contemporary American Indian Painting Exhibition in 1958, and the panel of jurors (2 out of 3 Caucasian) disqualified him from the competition. They declared his work not “Indian” enough. Modern First Nations art is a very useful to track the shifting notions of identity, culture, and sovereignty. ^[1]

Hock E Aye Vi (Edgar Heap of Birds), an artist of Cheyenne and Arapaho descent, challenges colonial history and current issues of displacement in his work. His provocative public art such as his Native Hosts series, reminds the city's residents that they are “guests of people whose land they occupy. Formerly around the Vancouver Art Gallery, the series is now placed across the campus of the University of British Columbia. The “signage” welcomes the audience, while declaring claiming the territory for the one of the First Nations bands in British Columbia. ^[2]

Another iconic modern artist is Lawrence Paul Yuxweluptun. His performance piece, An Indian Act: Shooting The Indian Act, protests the ongoing effects of the legislation on Aboriginal people. He also does surrealist paintings, dealing with environmental destruction, land claims, Aboriginal rights, and racism. He has been called one of Canada's most important painters; this Salish artist has been exhibited all across the world. ^[3]

[edit] Grapes

" Leif's third landing was at a place he called Vinland, where he found grapes growing wild."

It should perhaps be stressed that the "Greenlanders Saga" claims grapes were found at Vinland, but that there is little evidence that this was ever, in fact, the case. The name "vin" can, in old norse, refer to "grasses, meadows", and was used in this sense in Jæren, where Leiv Eriksson came from. The historian Claus Krag (http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Krag) claims the reference to grapes was added in the saga to emphasize the presumed lushness of the landscape. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgabrielsen (talk • contribs) 12:28, 25 November 2009 (UTC)