Talk:Five or Six

Former members, original research, and liner notes

I could not find any info verifying that any of the information (presented here as fact) about the former members is accurate. Even searching the one notable former member, John Yorke, I can't find anything verifying that that's the same John Yorke as the TV executive, and it's a rather common name, so the veracity of that is in question as well.

The liner notes are referenced as the source for the information in that paragraph, but examining the liner notes here, they make no mention of anything in that paragraph. Even if it were the there, the "best of" album was from 2008, so it seems unlikely that the info would be current anyway.

I'm removing most of that material as it's unsourced. I'll leave the John Yorke info, just in case it's accurate, and revisit that after the result of the deletion/merge discussion. Amsgearing (talk) 18:56, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't have access to the original liner notes, but I can assure you that it's not original research. I own the compilation album I'll Give You My Heart I'll Give You My Heart (The Cherry Red Records Singles Collection 1978-1983) and the liner notes on the band there state that they're adopted from the liner notes on that CD. "Ashley Wales and Dave Knight quotes taken from Christopher Evans’ notes from Five Or Six retrospective ‘Acting On Impulse’, CDM RED 324".

The AllMusic site is not the liner notes. The liner notes are the printed booklet included with the record. It's not uncited, you just don't have access to the source. See WP:SOURCEACCESS — "Do not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access." Either way, the excerpts included in the compilation album liner notes I own confirm what is said there. I will revert your edits as they're incorrect, including the statement that they never released records on Cherry Red (huh). RoseCherry64 (talk) 19:42, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

The liner notes are actually available at that AllMusic page, so my edits were valid. Perhaps you didn't look hard enough. Amsgearing (talk) 02:44, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Where? I can only see a scan of the back cover. This is the third time I have to revert a perfectly valid primary source in print. Unless you have checked the actual source in question, it shouldn't be removed. I have verified the information through a partially reprinted version. Per WP:3RR, I would ask you to stop reverting a legitimate reference, just because it's not on the Internet. RoseCherry64 (talk) 07:28, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

DANIEL WHITTOCK

DANIEL WHITTOCK,not mentioned in article, was a member of the band, and appeared on original recordings with Cherry Red Records. The song Dirge by Death in Vegas was subject of a lawsuit by the band Five or Six, as it is borrowed extensively from their song Another Reason. The matter was settled with Five or Six receiving writing credit for Dirge. From the album The Contino Sessions, "Dirge" helped Death in Vegas gain more recognition, culminating in a Mercury Music Prize nomination in 2000. Although predominantly rock-influenced, the album still retained some electronic elements, in particular the opening track "Dirge" with its drum machine-based rhythm track. "Dirge", featuring a vocal chant by Allison, is perhaps one of the band's most recognisable tracks. "Dirge" was featured on a Levi's jeans commercial, as well as the second installment of the Blair Witch Project, and was used in the trailer for the 2006 film The Black Dahlia. The song was also used at the end of the 2009 remake of The Last House on the Left, near the end of the Being Human episode "The Longest Day", and in the second episode of season two of Misfits.98.167.135.97 (talk) 16:18, 19 February 2013 (UTC)