Talk:Flag of the United Kingdom

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Meaning of the UK flag?[edit]

User: Political Dweeb here has a question about the meaning given by two flags that construct the United Kingdom flag. I want to understand does the red colour of the two flags that are St Patricks flag and the English flag/St Georges flag have any particular meaning or was it chosen for a different reason?

Political Dweeb (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 18:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Click on the links in this article to those two crosses (St Patrick's; St George's), and you will find out about the origin of the red colour. There is additional historical information at Union Flag; that is, until someone merges the two articles. Softlavender (talk) 03:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

User: Political Dweeb here does not seem to have found anything on the articles about the St Georges and Patricks flag that explains the meaning of the red colour of these two flags crosses.

Do you hapen to know if there is any meaning to red colour of these flags crosses. Political Dweeb (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.235.211.217 (talk) 18:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for a belated answer, but in general it's somewhat in vain to seek for specific concrete meanings for the colors of abstract geometric shapes in heraldry. Sometimes an official interpretation of the meaning of a country's flag appears in a law or legislative resolution or executive decree ("red for the blood of the martyrs by which our independence was attained" etc. etc.), but such interpretations are generally rather arbitrary, and in some cases obviously ex post facto (retroactive). AnonMoos (talk) 02:39, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

The original Union Flag was adopted before the Scottish and English governments merged creating a UK government, so it would still have a place as the monarch's flag. 62.253.9.84 (talk) 16:51, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Secularism and multiculturalism[edit]

The current article should perhaps consider examining whether there have ever been any proposals to change the British flag in light of the modern ideologies of secularism and multiculturalism. It is generally recognized that contemporary Britain has a declining Christian population, due to the rise of atheism and agnosticism, as well as an increasing non-Christian population, due to factors like immigration and above-average ethnic birth rates. In light of all this, it is not at all unreasonable to think that the Union Jack's days are numbered, since it merely represents the symbols and identity of a population who is no longer in the absolute majority. ADM (talk) 13:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

The article may consider anything that already has a credible source as long as this in not original research. Besides which would it be accurate to say that any entrenched symbol relies on the original motive for its use - if so, we would have to believe that that doctors employed the use of staffs and serpents! Dainamo (talk) 13:19, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Revisited: Merge with Union Flag / Union Jack[edit]

Some time ago, at the end of 2007, a discussion took place on merging the articles concerning this flag into a single article. A consensus was reached and it was agreed to wait three, and then six months for objections to be raised. 3 years later, and nothing has happened. I see nothing which invalidates the earlier decision and so I propose that the articles are merged into Flag of the United Kingdom as planned. I'm aware that there will be protests from people who disagree, but the delay in taking action on the last discussion does not invalidate the result. The irony is that a new vote would be anti-democratic, as it would seek to disregard a previous result. Amend-o-pedia (talk) 10:04, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Union Flag/Union Jack[edit]

I just wanted to let people know that I'm changing the bit about the union jack referring to a naval jack, because as shown by the union jack article, that is a load of tosh. 2.102.81.45 (talk) 20:58, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Blue colour in the Union Jack and the Scottish flag[edit]

Why is the blue colour different in the Union Jack and the Scottish flag? --Vitzque (talk) 06:42, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

That's a recent distancing.
There is no fixed blue for either flag. The original Union Flag was the St Andrew with the St George cross allowed house-room upon it. Since then the Union Flag has undergone finessing in the hands of the Admiralty in particular in which it became 1:2 in proportion and the blue has reached the rich, dark, royal blue of today. Where St Andrew flags were sold they tended, until recently, to have the same blue.
In 2003 a committee of the Scottish Parliament recommended that Pantone 300 be used for the St Andrew flag. You could be suspicious about an SNP-dominated committee trying to distance the Scottish flag from that of the United Kingdom, or perhaps that is too cynical. The colour has not been ratified by the Lord Lyon nor decreed by an Act of either Parliament; it remains a recommendation, though one that flag-makers have started to follow. Hogweard (talk) 12:52, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

RAF ensign[edit]

In the flag infobox, all the derived ensigns are labeled by "Use" at the top of their section, e.g. "Naval Ensign", except the last one. Shouldn't it be labeled too, as "RAF ensign"? ({{Ping}} me if you want me to participate.) --Thnidu (talk) 04:06, 13 December 2014 (UTC)