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For the former Comparison between the highest oxidation states of oxides and fluorides subsection, please see Talk:Fluorine/Comparison between the highest oxidation states of oxides and fluorides.

A few points about refs (for future PR and FAC 4, which will be at some point, and just describing how everything's done)

  • They should be done with {{cite web}} or simlilar templates;
  • In titles, the words should be written as a piece of usual text. If it is a the first word after a — or : , then it is capitalized. The system is a general observation for science literature (as compared to the cheap detectives). Singular deviations found in fact are omitted here for standardization.
  • Access dates are done in DD MMMMMMM YYYY format.
  • Page ranges are standardized to the full page number standard, 4326—4384 rather than the last two digit standard, such as 4326—84. There's no need to conserve space, and we can use the more eye-friendly system (you can see the second number all at once without having to search for its beginning)

TCO fluorine to do list[edit]

1. CE from front to back. (to get me familiar with the material, fix some degredation, fix some second langauge mistakes [no offense, amazingly better than I can do in any second language]. (in progress)

1.5. Spellcheck, offline.

2. convert gallery views to bordered wikitables (in progress).

3. fact check (100%). Will require a uni library trip as well as research requests.

3.5. Resolve all hidden comments

4. Check infobox, categories, pics, etc. (side matters).

5. Check reference formatting.

5.5. Check dab and first linking throughout article.


6. Get a prose grandmaster (likely Wehwalt) and twist his anti-science arm into going through the article. Pay him back somehow on some of his articles.

7. Get a Fifelfoo ref format check.

8. At that time, should be OK for R8r to renom for FAC with SandyGeorgia recused.

Subpage for ref checking[edit]

Working page set up to get this done.

User:TCO/Fluorine/ref checking 2012

Infobox fluorine[edit]

I have prepared major changes in {{Infobox element}}. Description & discussion is here. Since the friend of fluorine are into heavy editing, I might as well invite you to take a look at the changes for {{Infobox fluorine}}: compare side-by-side. -DePiep (talk) 13:35, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm still working on the changes. But I've made pilot changes to {{Infobox fluorine/sandbox}} to pre-show the future infobox. And there is still the side-by-side compare page. And since you fuolks are looking at fluorine with a sharp eye these days, you might as well check & edit the infobox.
Background: when the general layout-change in {Infobox element} is live, each individual infobox, like {Infobox fluorine}, needs edits to use the new options. Especially correcting the reflink [1] placements require an edit. For fluorine, I have made these edits beforehand in the {{/sandbox}}. Maybe you can improve too. After the layout change, we can copy-paste the sandbox into live to enjoy the effect. -DePiep (talk) 15:52, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
In the process, image:Oxygen discharge tube.jpg may have disappeared. Check me. -DePiep (talk) 23:56, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Compounds, note 10[edit]

Fluorine#Compounds note 10 (current number) says:

118 squares with numbers and letters in them, mostly colored gray and green, with a few numbers and words outside the boxes
In this article antimony is included among the nonmetals (colored green) even though its chemical properties are closer to metals (colored dark gray). Separate sections are dedicated to the noble gases (light blue), hydrogen (purple), and carbon (yellow). Period 7 p-block elements, colored light gray, have not been studied and are thus excluded.
My question. About that last sentence: 'period 7 p-block light grey excluded' - I don't know the scientific background, but a. they (actinides) are dark grey, and b. aren't the heavier elements (114+) excluded & light grey?
Sidenote: expect color boxes in this note, as miniature legends. -DePiep (talk) 20:54, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I reorganised the sub-sections in the Compounds section and did a little copyediting as a result of which I believe note 10 is now no longer required. Sandbh (talk) 01:48, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I see no issue. The period 7 p-block elements are 113 to 118. The period 7 f-block elements are the actinides (except either Ac or Lr). Double sharp (talk) 06:10, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

Why is this in the Fluorine Article: Herobrine does not Exist. J.K He does. P.S It's Invisible in the editor. --37.235.178.231 (talk) 08:05, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

This is an example of the mass of vandalism that usually occurs whenever an article is featured on the main page. Luckily, they get removed pretty quickly by bots and dedicated editors, so my guess is that by the time you entered the editor, it had been removed, one minute after its insertion. Double sharp (talk) 09:11, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Fluorine exists as[edit]

Except in extremely well controlled lab/industrial conditions, fluorine does not exist as a diatomic gas. The lede's 2nd sentence is therefore quite misleading, although not untrue. Why not add a qualifier such as "and when isolated, exists..." or "When the element is isolated it exists..."?? Also the section on Earth states:"Elemental fluorine in Earth's atmosphere would easily react with rocks, precluding its natural occurrence;[56][57]...." which is just simply WRONG! Elemental fluorine reacts (burns!) with (almost all) organic compounds and its reaction with water is highly exothermic and fast. Any of it "in Earth's atmosphere" would immediately react with moisture in the air, not with rock. I understand that you can argue that CaF2 (etc.) act as sinks to remove any volatile fluorine compounds (HFCs, HF, etc.) from the atmosphere, but the claim made is that the elementary form in the air reacts with rocks. Sad to see another not-so-well written technical article getting "Main Page" coverage. There, although not found in the article, the statement is made that it is difficult to "separate" from its compounds...as a chemist I have trouble with this commonly used (in the chemical literature) phrase. To me, it implies that you have F joined with its compound and once "separated", both the F (atom) and the compound remain (apart) (which might be misunderstood to be what was meant by those lacking any chemistry background.) Also, isn't the remarkable fact that many things BURN in a jet of fluorine gas worthy of inclusion in the lede?72.172.1.40 (talk) 20:24, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Isn't "fluorine" the element? In which case you don't have fluorine until it's isolated, when you have F2. Before that you have a fluorine compound. Of course there are F atoms in it, but it's not pure elemental fluorine (and isn't that the usual use of the word "fluorine")? As for your second point, you are right, and so I have changed it (although now it is no longer supported by the sources cited). On things burning in F2: some things spontaneously combust, some explode, some react vigorously, and some (e.g. N2, O2, noble gases) need to be forced to react. So I think it is safest to note that it is extremely reactive, while the appearance of the reaction can differ depending on what you are throwing in the path of the fluorine gas. Double sharp (talk) 03:58, 24 September 2014 (UTC)