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So I came here to Wikipedia to find out what the id monster is. Well, apparently, it's a monster with a goatee that can take a lot of abuse. But why do they call it the id monster? It's the internet's best kept secret. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doubledragons (talk • contribs) 08:51, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
As explained in the film, the id monster is a sub-conscious thought projection which is a part of Dr. Morbius' essence. That's why the robot is unable to fire its weapon at the monster, because it's part of a living human. The Krell (and Morbius) had figured out how to do thought projection, but had failed to take their still-remaining primitive and uncontrollable "ids" into account. The Krell's individual id monsters went out and slaughtered other Krell individuals, thus putting an end to the Krell species and leaving just their self-maintaining machinery. As Morbius lies dying, the monster produced by his subconscious dissolves and the protagonists are able to leave before the planet self-destructs. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 09:28, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
It's explained pretty clearly in the both the movie and the plot section of this article; However, the Krell had forgotten one vital thing: "Monsters from the id!". Morbius objects, pointing out that there are no Krell left. Adams replies that Morbius's mind — expanded by the plastic educator and thus able to interact with the gigantic Krell device — had created subconsciously the monster that had killed the rest of his expedition 20 years earlier—after they had voted to return to the Earth. Morbius scoffs at Adams's theory.WikiuserNI (talk) 10:27, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
The "id" link is easy to miss, being only 2 letters long, but between that and the explanation in the movie (which assumes that the viewer already kind of knows what the "id" refers to but suggests what it is anyway, through further explanation), I doubt very much that it's "the internet's best kept secret". ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 10:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
The mystery to me has always been, why did all the Krell die "in a single night", unless they each struck at a neighbor at the same instant. You'd think it would be like Highlander, with some (or one) left standing. Although even they weren't literally all killed off, they might have been so severely damaged as a species that they went extinct. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 10:43, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
I'd always assumed that Morbius, having the mind of an infant Krell, was only able to summon something that wasn't the most proficient killer at first. The Krell however, having such towering intellects, created something much more horrible that wiped them out overnight. Either that or Morbius was being theatrical, and the Krell civilisation died in what might be considered "overnight", in comparison to the long time their civilisation had already stood. WikiuserNI (talk) 11:19, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Good point. I think you're onto it. And like Morbius, despite their great intellect they were in denial about their inner selves, and it proved costly, to put it mildly.
I would say Walter Pidgeon is nothing if not theatrical in that film. Given that they're doing Shakespeare-in-space, that seems fitting. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 11:22, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
I also have to admit that when I see that movie nowadays, I keep expecting Commander Adams to tell Dr. Morbius, "I am serious, and don't call me Shirley! ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 11:27, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
I noticed in the Star Trek episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before" that the main doorway looked just like the distinctively pentagonal ones in this film. Probably too trivial to be mentioned in the article, but interesting, no? Clarityfiend (talk) 22:48, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Aha, caught ya talking to yourself. Something I never do. 0:) I was going to ask if it's possible they were actually parts of the same set. I haven't seen either one in a long time, though. It's worth pointing out that modern-looking retail stores here and there have also used that 5-sided entrance. I guess they think it looks nifty. Walter Pidgeon surmised that the Krell were shaped like that. Maybe the Krell also thought it simply looked nifty. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 23:07, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
The Star Trek door is part of an obvious painted backdrop. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:27, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
The introduction cites Jung's theory of the "collective subconscious" as a reference point of the plot. But the Id, the irrational destructive force of primitive psyche, is a Freudian term and no appeal to a Jungian collective is needed to understand the theoretical underpinnings of the story. Presumably, each member of the Krell unconsciously loosed his or her own id against the other Krell until all were wiped out, just as the original party of earth settlers did, and ultimately Morbeus himself does against the rescue crew. Orthotox (talk) 10:04, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Clarification... The members of the original party -- other than Morbius -- lacked the ability to invoke the Great Machine. They were killed by Morbius's unconscious thoughts. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 15:31, 30 August 2014 (UTC)