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Pre-Qualifying[edit]

The section on the history of the 107% rule is wrong.

DNQ came about from the time when there were more teams, and therefore more cars, than could be permitted on the track for the race. The number permitted in the race used to vary from circuit to circuit (You can imagine that Monaco has a rather lower capacity than Silverstone), but was standardised at 26, presumably in the 1980s when Bernie and the FIA were busy standardising everything else. Only the quickest 26 would qualify for the race, the others were DNQ.

Pre-Qualifying is another matter again. In the late 1980s and early 1990s there were so many cars trying to qualify for each race (well over 30 if memory serves) that there were too many even for the qualification session (it's only an hour and you can imagine the difficulties of trying to squeeze everyone on - it's bad enough now with only 22). A pre-qualification session for new teams and the teams with the worst record over the preceding 6 months allowed two cars into the qualifying session proper of about 30 cars. This has got nothing whatever to do with the 107% rule.

The 107% rule only came about in (I think) the mid 1990s, when the number of teams started dropping so far that there were only 26 cars entered for each race anyway. There was therefore no prospect of anyone failing to qualify for the race, no matter how poor (Think Andrea Moda or Lola's Mastercard sponsored effort). Precisely because there had recently been a number of joke teams, the rule ensured that if you turned up with a comedy car and only an approximate idea of what you were doing and couldn't get within 107% of the pole-sitters time, you wouldn't get into the race.

The fact that there are now only 22 cars (less than the limit for the race1) is not therefore the reason for the 107% rule being dropped - what I'm trying to remember is why they did change it. If I remember, I'll come back and amend the article. I don't know that all the historical stuff needs to be in here, just an accurate reflection of why 107% has been dropped. A note on what the qualification rules for each season were would be useful in each of the season summaries, though.

107% rule came in in 1996 I believe. mattbuck 20:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
It was dropped in 2003 while the one-lap qualifying was introduced, because it would have been unfair in the system. BleuDXXXIV 19:43, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

1. The limit on cars in a race has recently dropped to 24 - I'm not sure that's anything to do with racing necessity so much as the reluctance of the teams to divide up the pie with too many others. 4u1e


I can confirm that most, if not everything, that 4u1e wrote above is correct. I belive that only 20 cars was allowed in the race at Monaco for quite some time. I just checked the race archive in grandprix.com and it gives an example of prequalifing in 1989: 38 cars were entered so on friday morning 12 cars were reduced to 4 for the real qualifing. /Kakis 2006-05-06

Qualifying[edit]

107% rule was introduced in 1996 when there was a new qualfying format. DNPQ was actually discontinued at the end of 1992. 107% rule was i think that it didn't matter because teams were more competitive. Pattav2 11:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Qualifying time[edit]

"The qualifying hour is split into three 15-minute sessions, with seven-minute breaks in between." - this is no longer valid (Q1 is longer, Q3 is shorter), somebody please correct this. / 2008-03-20 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.24.204.196 (talk) 14:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Assessment[edit]

I assessed this as a start class article, but with references it surely could be B-class Guroadrunner (talk) 06:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Template:out of date[edit]

I've marked the page as out of date since:

  • While the qualifying has been adapted to the current season with a tacked-on sentence, the section needs to be reworked -- the beginning still reads as if we're in 2006. It should mostly describe what it's like now, and perhaps add a historical remark for the difference to 2006.
  • There's a remark on the Concorde Agreement due to end 2007.

78.52.196.52 (talk) 10:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Done. Might have been quicker to do it yourself, mind. 4u1e (talk) 13:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Race[edit]

This page says:

"after a random length of time (one to nine seconds), the red lights are turned off"

but the page named Formula_One_regulations says:

"and then go out simultaneously after an interval of between four and seven seconds"

What is the correct interval? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.190.108.238 (talk) 22:17, 1 February 2012 (UTC)