Talk:Fourth Council of the Lateran

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Would one assume that in this case incontenence is synomous with masturbation? Or were they really that concerned with priests wetting the bed? I don't know, so I don't want to edit.

Marriam-Websters has "in·con·ti·nence noun \(ˌ)in-ˈkän-tə-nən(t)s\ Definition of INCONTINENCE : the quality or state of being incontinent: as a : failure to restrain sexual appetite : unchastity" Nick Beeson (talk) 04:28, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


Not so much masturbation as priest marriage, keeping of concubines, and sex in general. The Fourth Lateran Council took a big step towards actually enforcing priestly celibacy. I added "not being celibate" to clarify (feel free to change if you can think of a better way of phrasing it)

Seven Sacraments[edit]

I removed the line


Significantly, the Council clearly delineated the Seven Sacraments of the Catholic Church for the first time.

because I could not find such a delineation within the actual text of the canons of the Council (at least, not in the copy found at the Medieval Sourcebook website). Please correct if I am in error. Tpellman (talk) 15:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Jewish Moneylending[edit]

In "Under Crescent and Cross", Mark Cohen reports that there was a fourth law pertaining to the Jews which forbade "heavy and immoderate usury" (pg 39). I didn't edit the article because I myself have not studied the council enough to know where this would be, however, Cohen credits "The Church and the Jews" by Grayzel page 307. edit: I realize that the list is not meant to be a full list of all canons, however I believe this particular one, if deemed to exist, is worthy of being here because of the contemporary view of Jews as moneylenders. Koolaidman (talk) 19:54, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Incomprehensible[edit]

The sentence "It is enough to remind the reader how long an opposition preceded at Rome this recognition of Constantinople as second in rank among the patriarchal sees," is incomprehensible. Does it mean that they Rome did not want to recognize any other Patriarch at all? Does it mean that Rome wanted to recognize Antioch or some other Patriarch as second? Does it mean Rome felt that there was no ranking of Patriarchs possible, all were equal in their inferiority to Rome? This sentence is non-encyclopedic. The phrase "It is enough to remind the reader" is a clear violation of the Wikipedia style guidelines. Further it begs the question, "What are we being reminded of?" Are we readers supposed to already know that this issue was hotly debated for decades? So I removed it. Can someone can reword it so it does not speak to the "reader" and so it is comprehensible? Nick Beeson (talk) 04:28, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

What Does it Mean?[edit]

I came here to find out what the word Lateran means, and it doesn't tell us.

The origin is the Lateranii, a Roman family, and they had a Saint, St. John Lateran in English, in the family. There's a church named after him in Rome, and that's where they hold the meetings.

David Lloyd-Jones (talk) 09:53, 14 April 2014 (UTC)