Talk:François Viète

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François Viète seems to be the most common spelling, according to Google. Iorsh 21:10, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)


Hi, I recently posted an article on my blog that details Van Roomen's Problem and Viete's solution. I have not been able to find a detailed solution anywhere else on the web so perhaps, this will be interesting to the reader's of the article. Here is the link: http://fermatslasttheorem.blogspot.com/2007/02/van-roomens-problem-solution-explained.html

If it looks good, feel free to add it to this article. If you have any questions or comments feel free to e-mail me at: larry.freeman@gmail.com

Cheers, -Larry 216.103.214.64 05:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I cannot see any great significance or notability in it. It is an example of a complicated looking algebraic problem which can be solved relatively straightforwardly if you think of the right trick. If there is anything more significant about it than that I will be pleased if someone will indicate what it is, but I can't see it. JamesBWatson (talk) 18:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating[edit]

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 03:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Houston, we have a problem...[edit]

Information.svg Moved the RFC template into the document section that it specified. DMcMPO11AAUK/Talk/Contribs 01:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


The original article in Viete's history on wikipedia is pretty much taken verbaitum from www.1911encyclopedia.org. It seems like it was cut-and-pasted without any mention that it was copied directly from the original source. The wikipedia rule on general sources says you can include them, but it's sort of a grey area, where you should change the formatting and include wikilinks, but there is is no organic growth to the body of knowledge, only an adding-on to the copied text. I don't know, maybe we should scrap the article and start over, with someone (me, maybe) beginning a more original, organic understanding of the topic to at least start a skeleton of a biography that gives the reader a better understanding of the person? Rhetth 18:26, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


This would account for the woolly, arm-waving circumlocutions and almost total lack of mathematical detail. It is a frustrating read and it would greatly benefit from a mathematical historian making it much more specific and concrete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.83.238 (talk) 08:49, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Response to RfC[edit]

It is quite normal for articles to begin with the 1911 Britannica text where it is available and to develop from there. The article is tagged appropriately. If you have enough materials (i.e. reliable sources to write the article from scratch, then why not Be Bold and go ahead. Otherwise, improve the article piecemeal. You could also tag it for an expert in a particular subject or ask for help at one of the Wikiprojects that the article has been added to. Itsmejudith 07:09, 15 October 2007 (UTC)He was also called the father of algebra of the 16th century

When Did Viète Die?[edit]

Currently, there are two months shown: one on the first line "(1540 - February 13, 1603)", the other under his picture "Died December, 1603 Paris, France" Which of the two was it? (20-March-09) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.73.127.80 (talk) 20:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC) He died 23 as De Thou said.Jean de Parthenay (talk) 23:11, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I shall answer[edit]

Vieta's death : we have 23 februaly or 26 (in de thou and ritter). I prefer de Thou. (26 is probably the day when he was laid in earht...) 13 is wrong...

i have translated my 'owm' page of WP fr in english. you can see it here : User:Jean_de_Parthenay/Viete2/wikipedia

As my english is not native, i am scattered with the idea to publish it. if you are not agree, say it ! If you want to make change, do it ! If you don't says any thing, i shall publish it in a week. Thanks.

And please, after that, it will be a first class article, with great importance ! isn't he ?Jean de Parthenay (talk) 06:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

problems[edit]

i am not agree with the last changes  : here is better than here[1]<reference/> in bibliographie. Because, if you forget the reference/, as robot does, you are wrong, and if you put it, tou have a second list of refrencies, which is very ugly. so, i "ll remove theses last changes.... And I hope that the robot won't do it again. I try to find new sources for the point in debate and I come back after a while.Jean de Parthenay (talk) 20:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

translation of Jean Dhombres[edit]

François Viète and Reform, by Jean Dhombres. from here We have no profession of faith of protestantism (...) François Viète was baptized catholic because his family was still catholic in 1540. But his father and other relatives of Viète adopted Protestantism. He probably meet followers of Calvin during his studies at Poitiers... How to imagine that Antoinette d'Aubeterre invited him to stay at Parc Soubise if he hadn't at least some protestant leanings. Indeed, the story that Viète wrote about Lyon where Jean V de Parthenay illustrated his armies against the catholic league of France was incorporated without any doubt by Theodore de Beze his in ecclesiastical history of Reformed Churches. His pupil at Parc Soubise, Catherine de Parthenay, was an ardent protestant whose grandmother, Michelle de Saubonne had protected the first calvinists in Bas-Poitou. Françoise de Rohan, Lady of the Garnache, sister of the second husband of Catherine, opened her house to Viète in Beauvoir-sur-Mer because, apparently, he could not stay at the castle of Blain, owned by Catherine, as this castle was depending of the catholic Parliament of (...) On another side, on 6 April 1574, Viète had read a solemn profession of catholic faith for his installation in the Parliament of Rennes. This is the only certificate. Did he lie ? (...) Therefore, historians "protestants" enroled him. Otherwise, we can't talk about him of atheism  : Lucien Febvre well explained the anachronism of the term for the seventeenth century - Can we talk of an indifference in religious matters ? In a first movement, he refused the presence of a priest at his deathbed. But this indifference was conveniant for the historians of the last century... At least, nothing in the mathematical works of Viète deals with religious matters, and perhaps this rupture is the way he choosed to enter in the history.

I don't know if my translation is ok. If it seems good, you can insert it in the chapyer 'convictions" because the lonely refence is in french.

Neutrality Flags[edit]

I've removed the three unnecessary adjectives in the opening section. Those descriptions do not belong in a neutral biography. I am a fan of Vieta and I greatly respect his work, however I don't think it is necessary to say that he was "honest, faithful, and competent". Dragoneye776 (talk) 20:32, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Heroic defense documents?[edit]

In 1564, Vieta entered the service of Antoinette d’Aubeterre, Lady Soubise, wife of Jean V de Parthenay-Soubise... and accompanied him to Lyon to collect documents about his heroic defence of that city...

What kind of documents? Who wrote these documents? What did Jean need them for?

Top.Squark (talk) 15:13, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Documents about the way Soubise ruled Lyon in 1563. Vieta wanted to prove Soubise had no responsability in the murder of de Guise... In purpose to prove it, Vieta made a very clever recension of all the good actions of Soubise at Lyon. Hencefore, he wanted to collect the official documents in Lyon before they fall down in the hands of the Duke Jacques de Nemour (Catholic league). Sorry for my english. Jean de Parthenay (talk) 20:13, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Revolt of the Notaries[edit]

Henry IV... charged him [Vieta] to end the revolt of the Notaries, whom the King had ordered to pay back their fees

Why did Henry order them to pay back their fees? How did he expect Vieta to end the revolt? Did Vieta succeed?

Top.Squark (talk) 15:41, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

woaou ! See the french Wp... I'have not translate all the details : The supervisor was the royal secretary "Audoin de Montherbu". Viète worked as others state's secratary, nor good nor worse : In a first time the notaries refused to pay, in a second time, their received some garanties and payed.

Gold was necessary to pay "swiss wariors" who helped Henri IV against "La ligue". Jean de Parthenay (talk) 18:15, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Barbari ans?[edit]

The following quote of Vieta appears in the article:

...so spoiled and defiled by the barbari ans...

Is this a typo? Was "barbarians" intended?

Top.Squark (talk) 16:05, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Barbarians, indeed. In Viète's mind, it was probably all his predecessors, abacists and calculators, like Cardan. Perhaps Clavius and others contemporaries ? Not arabians, or indians, i think. All the European mathematicians writing algebra with numbers, and without symbols ... If you have any question, ask me on my french Discussion page, please. Jean de Parthenay (talk) 18:22, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

It's absurd that Vieta refers to the mathematicians before him has barbarians. Why would he say this? It seems a little hostile considering they contributed to the very foundations of mathematical knowledge that he builds upon. Sure they may not have been perfect, but Vieta seemed smart enough to realize that without his predecessors he would have no system to improve! 199.245.238.2 (talk) 17:28, 4 May 2011 (UTC)Jake O'Donnell, Saint Martin's University

Vieta was smart most of time... But, he was very cruel with Scaliger, Clavius, and all the mathematicians he suspected to be wrong or "weak" (in a mathematical way). Jean de Parthenay (talk) 20:16, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Error[edit]

In 1576, Henri, duc de Rohan took him under his special protection, recommending him in 1580 as "maître des requêtes". In 1579, Vieta printed his canonem mathematicum (Metayer publisher). A year later, he was appointed maître des requêtes to the parliament of Paris, committed to serving the king. That same year, his success in the trial between the Duke of Nemours and Françoise de Rohan, to the benefit of the latter, earned him the resentment of the tenacious Catholic League.

According to the link Henri was not born until 1579 Sceptic1954 (talk) 17:46, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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