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Edit Request - Law section:

"France is tolerant of the LGBT community. Since 1999, civil unions for homosexual couples are permitted, and since May 2013, same-sex marriage and LGBT adoption are legal in France.[99]"

to be removed: LGBT adoption is Legal

Same sex marriage is legal in France since may 2013 but LGBT adoption is legal, it's actually the subject of larges debates ("manif pour tous" vs "Anti Manif pour tous").


Edit Request - Literature Section: "Jean de La Fontaine is one of the most famous fabulist of that time, as he wrote hundreds of fables, some being far more famous than others, such as The Ant and the Grasshopper."he is stupid and is awesome.

Upon reading the article on "The Ant and the Grasshopper" - Fontaine was _reinterpreting_ Aesop's Fables.


Edit request

Hi, in the fourth paragraph of the introduction, there is a link that states France has the fourth largest nominal military budget, but when you click on the link the article states it has the fifth largest budget. Could someone check please.

Cheers


In the Prehistory section, it states:

"The oldest traces of human life in what is now France date from approximately 1,800,000 years ago."

Sorry, but humans have not been around than long. Wikipedia's own article on humans states they originated in Africa some 200,000 years ago, one 9th of the time stated in this article. The citation is 25 years old and is now obviously superceded.

Plus one: +1 : this is assertion in not only completely stupid but based on completelty outdated references. Please delete.92.144.185.233 (talk) 22:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


Edit request In the economy section, it says "France derives 75% of its electricity from nuclear power, the highest percentage in the world.[138]". Can someone put a better source, the source given claims that France makes 39% of electricity from nuclear, in complete contradiction with the article. Maybe this one: http://www.iaea.org/PRIS/WorldStatistics/NuclearShareofElectricityGeneration.aspx Up to date and reliable. The real figure is 73%. Liberivore (talk) 16:14, 24 June 2014 (UTC)


Edit request

The lead needs more than a single sentence on the history of France.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 18:13, 17 October 2014 (UTC)


Edit request in the Religion section

The paragraph begins with: is the Roman Catholic cathedral where the kings of France were crowned until 1825.[235] ]]

This text should be below the picture instead of in the paragraph, please correct it. 194.98.34.59 (talk) 12:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Spoken Wiki[edit]

Electronic music[edit]

there is also Laurent wolf that is a very popular electronic music producer

Languages[edit]

I am seriously disappointed by the fact that the language section only talks about French. Must I remind you that France is a linguistically diverse country.

List[edit]

Geographical distribution of regional languages and dialects. (Note that French is spoken all over the country, including both Metropolitan France and DOMs-TOMs (not shown on this map).)

The languages of Metropolitan France include:

There are also several languages spoken in France's overseas areas (see Administrative divisions of France for details)

French Sign Language is also recognised as a language of France.

There are immigrant languages spoken in some parts of France.

References

  1. ^ Mehdi Lallaoui, Kabyles du Pacifique, 1994, Éditions Au nom de la mémoire.

Statistics[edit]

At the 1999 census, INSEE sampled 380,000 adult people all across Metropolitan France, and asked them questions about their family situation. One of the questions was about the languages that their parents spoke with them before the age of 5. This is the first time serious statistics were computed about the proportion of mother tongues in France. The results were published in Enquête familiale, Insee, 1999.

Here is a list of the nine most prominent mother tongues in France based on Enquête familiale.

Rank Language Mother tongue Percentage of adult population
1 French 39,360,000 86%
(note that this figure is an underestimate because people under 18 years of age were not surveyed; see note #2 below the table)
2 Germanic languages
(Alsatian, Lorraine Franconian, etc.)
970,000
(of whom Alsatian: 660,000;
standard German: 210,000;
Lorraine Franconian: 100,000)
2.12%
(of whom Alsatian: 1.44%;
standard German: 0.46%;
Lorraine Franconian: 0.22%)
3 Arabic
(especially Maghrebi Arabic)
940,000 2.05%
4 Occitan language
(Languedocian, Gascon, Provençal, etc.)
610,000
(another 1,060,000 had some exposure)
1.33%
(another 2.32% had some exposure, see notes)
5 Portuguese 580,000 1.27%
6 Oïl languages
(Picard, Gallo, Poitevin, Saintongeais, etc.)
570,000
(another 850,000 had some exposure)
1.25%
(another 1.86% had some exposure, see notes)
7 Italian, Corsican and Ligurian (Niçard) 540,000 1.19%
8 Spanish 485,000 1.06%
9 Breton 280,000
(another 405,000 had some exposure)
0.61%
(another 0.87% had some exposure, see notes)
10 About 400 other languages
(Polish, Berber languages, East Asian languages, Catalan, Franco-Provençal, Corsican, Basque, West Flemish, etc.)
as well as those who gave no response
2,350,000
(of whom English: 115,000)
5.12%
(of whom English: 0.25% of total adult population)
Total 45,762,000
(46,680,000 including those with two mother tongues who were counted twice)
102%
(2% of people have both French and another language as their mother tongue, thus, they are counted twice)

If we add up people with mother tongue and people with some exposure to the language before the age of 5 (see note #3 below), then the five most important languages in metropolitan France are (note that the percentages add up to more than 100, because many people are now counted twice):

  • French: 42,100,000 (92%)
  • Occitan: 1,670,000 (3.65%)
  • German and German dialects: 1,440,000 (3.15%)
  • Oïl languages (excl. French): 1,420,000 (3.10%)
  • Arabic: 1,170,000 (2.55%)

Notes on the table[edit]

  1. The data in the table are about mother tongues, and not about actual language practice. It states that 14% of the adult people living in France in 1999 were born and raised up to the age of 5 in families that spoke only (or predominantly) some other languages than French. It does not mean that 14% of adult people in France spoke some other languages than French in 1999.
  2. Only adults (i.e. 18 years and older) were surveyed. This means that French people born between 1981 and 1999 are not included in the survey. The mother tongue of the younger generations is more predominantly French than is the case with the older generations, because as the Enquête familiale survey explains, regional and immigrant language transmission decreases dramatically with each new generation, as French replaces the regional and immigrant languages. In the Enquête familiale survey, only 35% of parents whose mother tongue was a regional or immigrant language reported they spoke that language to their children. Thus, the 86% figure of people with French as their mother tongue is an underestimate because the younger generations whose predominant mother tongue is French are not counted.
  3. The concept of "mother tongue" may not give a complete idea of the phenomenon of minority languages in France. This is because there are many people who were born and raised in families in which parents spoke to them only (or predominantly) French, but in which some regional or immigration languages were also occasionally used. One example: while the data tell us that 610,000 adults in 1999 had one of the Occitan dialects as their mother tongue, the survey also found out that another 1,060,000 adults were born and raised in families in which one of the Occitan dialects was occasionally spoken. Some of these 1,060,000 people may speak Occitan as fluently as the 610,000 people who have it as a mother tongue, while some other (the majority, probably) have only a limited knowledge of Occitan. We cannot infer from this that 1,670,000 adults are speakers of Occitan, but it may be the case that the total number of people with some form of exposure to Occitan is higher than the 610,000 figure, though some of this number may have abandoned the language since then.

Edit request 3.7.2013 Population should be corrected[edit]

Estimated total population of France is 66 200 000 (1st January 2012). It should be noted that currently cited INSEE number does not include Mayotte or COM (collectivités d’outre-mer).

Source: http://www.insee.fr/fr/ffc/ipweb/ip1385/ip1385.pdf

From page four: Le champ géographique du bilan démographique de 2011 reste la France métropolitaine et les DOM, mais sans Mayotte, dont la transformation en département d’outre-mer date du 31 mars 2011. En ajoutant les 803 000 habitants des collectivités d’outre-mer et de Mayotte, la population des territoires de la République française au 1 er janvier 2012 est estimée à 66,2 millions d’habitants.

Edit war[edit]

@Blaue Max: an Seqqis: Please note that it is WP:BRD, NOT WP:B(R∞)D. The pair of you are past 3RR, and any further editing by either of you on this article without consensus is liable to lead to a block. As I understand it, Seqqis, you added the challenged material. It is therefore up to you to demonstrate it is worthy of inclusion, backed up by reliable references. Mjroots (talk) 20:28, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

@Mjroots: even though you said that it was up to me weather if the reference is reliable enough, I would still like your opinion on the sources rather than adding them just to get removed again. Seqqis (talk) 21:05, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Sure, post the sources here and I'll give my opinion. FWIW, there may be some merit in what you were trying to add. It might be worth giving the WikiProject a shout to get more eyes on this. Mjroots (talk) 21:15, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Well there's this French Wiki article, Article 75-1 de la Constitution de la Cinquième République française, and these two links; [1] and [2] the second one is from the French article. Seqqis (talk) 21:27, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
@Seqqis: - both of those sources meet WP:RS. Blaue Max what exactly is your objection? Mjroots (talk) 19:30, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
The text says "Les langues régionales appartiennent au patrimoine de la France" (Regional languages belongs to France's heritage). It is a very short and vague text which does not include any list of recognized regional languages. In my opinion the text was meant to be vague in order to avoid controversies. Therefore using this text to list Alsatian, Occitan, etc. as "recognized languages" in the infobox is WP:NOR. Blaue Max (talk) 19:51, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
OK, so we're looking for a WP:RS that lists recognized regional languages in France then? Mjroots (talk) 18:36, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
The French Constitution does not list any regional languages as recognized, it is just a vague statement. You can find lists of French regional languages, but none of them are recognized individually. Do you understand, I'm not sure if I'm clear? Blaue Max (talk) 19:22, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

France is 4th most populous in Europe[edit]

The current page states that France is the 3rd most populous contry in Europe, but it is the 4th most populous country in Europe: Turkey, Germany and Russia all have larger populations than France. I assume that because Turkey has the majority of it's population in the Asian part of the country, But that does not change the fact that it is inside Europe, and has a larger population than France. Therefore, France is the 4th most populous country in Europe.

Source is CIA World Factbook https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/fr.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorganoth (talkcontribs) 11:57, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

pronunciation of the country's name in English[edit]

This is /frænts/ in American English. It thus includes a /t/. It's impossible to pronounce the final sound as a voiceless sound without the preceding /t/. Otherwise, one says */frænz/.