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Edit Request - Literature Section: "Jean de La Fontaine is one of the most famous fabulist of that time, as he wrote hundreds of fables, some being far more famous than others, such as The Ant and the Grasshopper."he is stupid and is awesome.

Upon reading the article on "The Ant and the Grasshopper" - Fontaine was _reinterpreting_ Aesop's Fables.


Edit request

Hi, in the fourth paragraph of the introduction, there is a link that states France has the fourth largest nominal military budget, but when you click on the link the article states it has the fifth largest budget. Could someone check please.

Cheers


In the Prehistory section, it states:

"The oldest traces of human life in what is now France date from approximately 1,800,000 years ago."

Sorry, but humans have not been around than long. Wikipedia's own article on humans states they originated in Africa some 200,000 years ago, one 9th of the time stated in this article. The citation is 25 years old and is now obviously superceded.

Plus one: +1 : this is assertion in not only completely stupid but based on completelty outdated references. Please delete.92.144.185.233 (talk) 22:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


Edit request In the economy section, it says "France derives 75% of its electricity from nuclear power, the highest percentage in the world.[138]". Can someone put a better source, the source given claims that France makes 39% of electricity from nuclear, in complete contradiction with the article. Maybe this one: http://www.iaea.org/PRIS/WorldStatistics/NuclearShareofElectricityGeneration.aspx Up to date and reliable. The real figure is 73%. Liberivore (talk) 16:14, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Spoken Wiki[edit]

Electronic music[edit]

there is also Laurent wolf that is a very popular electronic music producer

Languages[edit]

I am seriously disappointed by the fact that the language section only talks about French. Must I remind you that France is a linguistically diverse country.

List[edit]

Geographical distribution of regional languages and dialects. (Note that French is spoken all over the country, including both Metropolitan France and DOMs-TOMs (not shown on this map).)

The languages of Metropolitan France include:

There are also several languages spoken in France's overseas areas (see Administrative divisions of France for details)

French Sign Language is also recognised as a language of France.

There are immigrant languages spoken in some parts of France.

Statistics[edit]

At the 1999 census, INSEE sampled 380,000 adult people all across Metropolitan France, and asked them questions about their family situation. One of the questions was about the languages that their parents spoke with them before the age of 5. This is the first time serious statistics were computed about the proportion of mother tongues in France. The results were published in Enquête familiale, Insee, 1999.

Here is a list of the nine most prominent mother tongues in France based on Enquête familiale.

Rank Language Mother tongue Percentage of adult population
1 French 39,360,000 86%
(note that this figure is an underestimate because people under 18 years of age were not surveyed; see note #2 below the table)
2 Germanic languages
(Alsatian, Lorraine Franconian, etc.)
970,000
(of whom Alsatian: 660,000;
standard German: 210,000;
Lorraine Franconian: 100,000)
2.12%
(of whom Alsatian: 1.44%;
standard German: 0.46%;
Lorraine Franconian: 0.22%)
3 Arabic
(especially Maghrebi Arabic)
940,000 2.05%
4 Occitan language
(Languedocian, Gascon, Provençal, etc.)
610,000
(another 1,060,000 had some exposure)
1.33%
(another 2.32% had some exposure, see notes)
5 Portuguese 580,000 1.27%
6 Oïl languages
(Picard, Gallo, Poitevin, Saintongeais, etc.)
570,000
(another 850,000 had some exposure)
1.25%
(another 1.86% had some exposure, see notes)
7 Italian, Corsican and Ligurian (Niçard) 540,000 1.19%
8 Spanish 485,000 1.06%
9 Breton 280,000
(another 405,000 had some exposure)
0.61%
(another 0.87% had some exposure, see notes)
10 About 400 other languages
(Polish, Berber languages, East Asian languages, Catalan, Franco-Provençal, Corsican, Basque, West Flemish, etc.)
as well as those who gave no response
2,350,000
(of whom English: 115,000)
5.12%
(of whom English: 0.25% of total adult population)
Total 45,762,000
(46,680,000 including those with two mother tongues who were counted twice)
102%
(2% of people have both French and another language as their mother tongue, thus, they are counted twice)

If we add up people with mother tongue and people with some exposure to the language before the age of 5 (see note #3 below), then the five most important languages in metropolitan France are (note that the percentages add up to more than 100, because many people are now counted twice):

  • French: 42,100,000 (92%)
  • Occitan: 1,670,000 (3.65%)
  • German and German dialects: 1,440,000 (3.15%)
  • Oïl languages (excl. French): 1,420,000 (3.10%)
  • Arabic: 1,170,000 (2.55%)

Notes on the table[edit]

  1. The data in the table are about mother tongues, and not about actual language practice. It states that 14% of the adult people living in France in 1999 were born and raised up to the age of 5 in families that spoke only (or predominantly) some other languages than French. It does not mean that 14% of adult people in France spoke some other languages than French in 1999.
  2. Only adults (i.e. 18 years and older) were surveyed. This means that French people born between 1981 and 1999 are not included in the survey. The mother tongue of the younger generations is more predominantly French than is the case with the older generations, because as the Enquête familiale survey explains, regional and immigrant language transmission decreases dramatically with each new generation, as French replaces the regional and immigrant languages. In the Enquête familiale survey, only 35% of parents whose mother tongue was a regional or immigrant language reported they spoke that language to their children. Thus, the 86% figure of people with French as their mother tongue is an underestimate because the younger generations whose predominant mother tongue is French are not counted.
  3. The concept of "mother tongue" may not give a complete idea of the phenomenon of minority languages in France. This is because there are many people who were born and raised in families in which parents spoke to them only (or predominantly) French, but in which some regional or immigration languages were also occasionally used. One example: while the data tell us that 610,000 adults in 1999 had one of the Occitan dialects as their mother tongue, the survey also found out that another 1,060,000 adults were born and raised in families in which one of the Occitan dialects was occasionally spoken. Some of these 1,060,000 people may speak Occitan as fluently as the 610,000 people who have it as a mother tongue, while some other (the majority, probably) have only a limited knowledge of Occitan. We cannot infer from this that 1,670,000 adults are speakers of Occitan, but it may be the case that the total number of people with some form of exposure to Occitan is higher than the 610,000 figure, though some of this number may have abandoned the language since then.

Edit request 3.7.2013 Population should be corrected[edit]

Estimated total population of France is 66 200 000 (1st January 2012). It should be noted that currently cited INSEE number does not include Mayotte or COM (collectivités d’outre-mer).

Source: http://www.insee.fr/fr/ffc/ipweb/ip1385/ip1385.pdf

From page four: Le champ géographique du bilan démographique de 2011 reste la France métropolitaine et les DOM, mais sans Mayotte, dont la transformation en département d’outre-mer date du 31 mars 2011. En ajoutant les 803 000 habitants des collectivités d’outre-mer et de Mayotte, la population des territoires de la République française au 1 er janvier 2012 est estimée à 66,2 millions d’habitants.

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2014[edit]

Please update the name of the Prime Minister of France in section "Government". Manuel Valls is Prime Minister since April 2th 2014

[...] and the Government, led by the president-appointed Prime Minister, currently Jean-Marc Ayrault.

must be changed to

[...] and the Government, led by the president-appointed Prime Minister, currently Manuel Valls (formaly Jean-Marc Ayrault).

92.151.241.247 (talk) 21:16, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — {{U|Technical 13}} (tec) 22:36, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Reliable source? Come on, this is public knowledge and can be easily verified on any public newspaper or media site or on the sites of the French government. It is pitiful that Wikipedia still cites Ayrault as French prime minister 25 days after he has been replaced by Manuel Valls (I am writing this on April 27th, 2014). BTW, it might be of interest to mention that the new prime minister Valls was born a Spaniard and became a French citizen only when he was about 21 years old. Many people from Spain were delighted to see that a person coming from their country became French Prime Minister, just a few days after a woman of Spanish origin, Anne Hidalgo, became mayor of France's capital and largest city, Paris. The change must be done. Laurent r (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2014 (UTC)Laurent r — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurent r (talkcontribs) 19:53, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

And, BTW, if you need reliable source, check the French Wikipedia page for France, at least they have it right (see the box on the right). Laurent r (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2014 (UTC)Laurent r

Pronunciation[edit]

Quote: " France (UK: /ˈfrɑːns/; US: /ˈfræns/). " This is wrong. Firstly because the most common US pronunciation is actually /freæ̯ns/ or something like that, but more importantly because /fræns/ is indeed used in more than half of Britain. Why not say more simply and more correctly: France (/fræns/ or /frɑːns/) ???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.206.166.71 (talk) 21:21, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

According to oxforddictionaries.com, /frɑːns/ is the pronunciation 'as spoken in the south of England'. oxforddictionaries.com also includes /frɑns/ as the pronunciation for 'US English'. Rob (talk | contribs) 11:57, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

5 April 2014[edit]

The Eifeil tower is in France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.135.91 (talk) 20:08, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

New semi-protected edit request to change the name of France's prime minister[edit]

On April 2, 2014, Manuel Valls replaced Jean-Marc Ayrault as France's prime minister. This is just a fact that is easy to check. The next day, on April 3, 2014, someone asked for an update on this article on France. On the same day, someone else refused, based on the preposterous claim that the request's author had not provided reliable source supporting the proposed change, whereas it was a simple fact that was easy to verify. Twenty-five days later, on April 27, I tried to help and commented that "this is public knowledge and can be easily verified on any public newspaper or media site or on the sites of the French government. It is pitiful that Wikipedia still cites Ayrault as French prime minister 25 days after he has been replaced by Manuel Valls (I am writing this on April 27th, 2014)." As of today, another 10 days later, this is still uncorrected, and this is even more pitiful that Wikipedia still has the wrong information 36 days after Valls' nomination. It is so easy to check the fact that I do not understand how Wikipedia can fall into such bureaucratic stupidity. Don't get me wrong, I love Wikipedia, I am an occasional content contributor (French and English versions of Wikipedia) and my wife and myself have also contributed money to Wikipedia in 2012 and 2013. As I said earlier, the French Wikipedia has the right information on the subject. This a link to the Official French Government portal: [2]. Anything else needed? I will be happy to provide it. Please make the change, this is getting really ridiculous. Laurent r (talk) 22:56, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Ouch! Done. Sorry. Thanks. RashersTierney (talk) 23:20, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I am happy to see that this is finally corrected. Laurent r (talk) 23:45, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

  1. ^ Mehdi Lallaoui, Kabyles du Pacifique, 1994, Éditions Au nom de la mémoire.
  2. ^ http://www.gouvernement.fr/institutions/composition-du-gouvernement