Talk:Franco-Dutch War

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Merger proposal

The Third Anglo-Dutch War is essentially the naval part of the Franco-Dutch War. The article on the former is however much longer! It also contains a description of the land hostilities! I therefore suggest that the text of the Third Anglo-Dutch War be merged into the article on the Franco-Dutch War. At the same time, the Third Anglo-Dutch War article should be either (a) reduced to a small article refering to the Franco-Dutch War, or (b) reduced to a copy of the naval part of the text that it now contains. Please let me know what you think. AWhiteC (talk) 23:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't know, really. Thing is, I'm Dutch and I study history. The Third Anglo-Dutch War is part of Dutch history, with Michiel de Ruyter being a national hero and all, I've only read some parts about the Franco-Dutch war. So in conclusion my point is I don't know because I'm probably biased! --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 10:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

The idea of the Third War is, I expect, much better known: I've read and heard a bit about the Anglo-Dutch Wars in my college history classes, but never heard of a Franco-Dutch war before. However, the fighting considered in these two articles is really significantly different, considering that the Third War lasted much less time than the Franco-Dutch War. Consequently, I don't think it would be right to put both wars under this title. Or if you mean to merge them into a single title: if we did this, what would we call them? Unless you could find some standard name for the unified conflict, other than Franco-Dutch, I think this would be somewhat of original research. Nyttend (talk) 15:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe because its considered as a single part of a larger event, we should let it stand. Compare Seven Years' War and French and Indian War. --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 10:12, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I think that there are several cogent reasons to have separate articles. First of all, if the one concept is a subset of the other, there should be separate articles under the Wiki summary style policy, if the subset is of sufficient length. This now, is clearly the case. The second reason is that separate articles allow us to view the war from different points of view (always desirable under the NPOV policy), i.e. the French and the English attitude and policy towards the war, which were much different. This also means that the Third Anglo-Dutch War is not simply the "naval part" and that events on land concerning the English policy are very relevant. The third reason relates to the first two: what causes this question to arise in the first place is the short length of Franco-Dutch War. If it had been a decent-sized article instead of a stub, and contained a fair description of the many events of the years 1672-1678, it would have been obvious no merge was indicated. So, in the desirable situation the two articles are not merged and the correct way to attain it is to fill out the "French" part.--MWAK (talk) 14:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the Seven Years' War/French and Indian War analogy. Keeping them separate is fine. But at any rate, this article needs to be fleshed out considerably more. This should not be a shorter article than Third Anglo-Dutch War. (I don't buy the "It's not well-known" excuse. This was one of the major wars of the reign of Louis XIV, and involved almost all of the European powers at one time or another. It's nowhere near as obscure as you guys are making it out to be). Funnyhat (talk) 22:22, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, what Funnyhat says. This is not an obscure war at all. It's one of the major European wars of the seventeenth century. And this article is shamefully bad. john k (talk) 00:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I support keeping separate articles. It is commonplace for inter-related wars to have separate articles in Wikipedia and in other reference works. The different interlocking wars belong to different long-term historical narratives, which people may wish to research individually. Merging everything in to one article would make this much harder to do. Wimstead (talk) 14:49, 17 March 2009 (UTC)