Talk:Frank Forde

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His record[edit]

Has anyone else noticed how in the coverage of Whitlam's 90th many have gone out of their way to say that Forde's record doesn't really count? PMA 09:48, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

As Forde was a PM, does that by default make him an ALP leader too? If so he should be added to the ALP leader template. Timeshift 01:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

He was appointed PM by the Governor General, I don't think he was ever elected head of the party.--Grahamec 08:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
No, he wasn't elected. He was appointed PM the day after Curtin died, and the first chance the party had to elect a leader was not till a week later, when they chose Chifley. It's normal for the PM to be the leader of the (majority) party, but constitutionally the Governor-General is not bound by that (see the Holt/McEwen case). In this case, there was no leader. He couldn't have appointed Forde acting PM (that's a PM's prerogative alone, afaik), so I guess Gowrie felt it especially important, given that there was a war going on, that the country not be in limbo for a week. So he had no option but to commission someone to form a government immediately, and Forde was the obvious choice. As to the original question: does it really count? It depends. Theoretically, he was every bit as much PM as John Howard was. He was not just acting, and there was no caretaker role as there was with Fraser on 11.11.1975. But in practical political terms, Gowrie was probably aware that Forde wouldn't last long. So in that sense, you could describe it as being tantamount to a caretaker, or an acting role. But if Japan had bombed Sydney the day after Forde had been sworn in, it would have been Forde's job to respond, and maybe he would have had a longer shot at the job. Purely speculation. -- JackofOz (talk) 15:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Only ALP deputy leader to lose his seat?[edit]

Do we have a list of ALP deputy leaders? At a guess, I'd say Forde was the only serving one to lose his seat (1946), but I won't make that claim till I check the records. -- JackofOz (talk) 14:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Ted Theodore lost Dalley to a Lang Labor candidate in 1931. Albert Gardiner lost his Senate seat in 1925 (taking effect from 1926). There's no list here but the nav boxes link most of the deputies up. There's some confusion in the pre 1926 years because it seems the Senate leader was sometimes the deputy leader of the overall party, with a separate deputy leader in the reps. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:23, 16 September 2010 (UTC)